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beeblebum
662192.  Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:14 pm Reply with quote

Ameena wrote:
Different sizes and feather-patterns, yes, but a chicken still looks like a chicken, even if it looks different to another type of chicken - you'd still see enough similarities to think they were the same species. But you could put a husky, a wolf, and a Yorkshire terrier together and quite logically think that the husky and the wolf were the same species, while the Yorky was some other entirely different species.


they all have 4 legs a tail and cock there legs etc

if you compair a shamo to a silky you will have to chang your oppinion
they all came from jungle fowl and have been breed for different things ie eating,fighting,laying,ornimental,some have naked necks some have no parsons nose,some have tail feather 8 feeet long,what your saying is if it cant fly its a chicken

 
Ameena
662303.  Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:53 pm Reply with quote

Lol umm...no, actually, you know what, I don't think I'll bother.
Chickens are all roughly the same size and shape (give or take a bit). Two different breeds of dog could easily be confused for two different species by someone who didn't know any better.

 
Flash
662318.  Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:08 pm Reply with quote

Beeblebum - we do take your point, but our point is this: in appearence, a chihuahua is to a Great Dane as a bantam is to an ostrich - but the dogs are the same species. Breed them together and you'd get viable offspring.

 
Alfred E Neuman
662356.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:11 am Reply with quote

Ameena wrote:
Lol umm...no, actually, you know what, I don't think I'll bother.


I suspect you're not the only one who thought about it though. :-)

 
beeblebum
662470.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:09 am Reply with quote

have you conpaired a silky to a shamo and look at ga don as well,

 
Hornet
662491.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:47 am Reply with quote

From a Google Image search (I know nothing about chickens).

Silky:



Shamo:



The difference seems to be comparable to, for example, a sheep:



and a goat:



...which are clearly different species.

Oh, and as this is my first post, hello everyone.

 
beeblebum
662497.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:58 am Reply with quote

apart from the silkys 10inches tall and is under 1lb and the shamo is 3 feet tall and 13/14 pound
i mean a kiwi look more related to a silky than a shamo does
are you getting my point the different shape size and look of birds
they all came from the red jungle fowl
i know dogs can be hundreds of pounds apart and feet apart in hight
but youve got to look at pultry in the same lines

 
beeblebum
662517.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:33 am Reply with quote

Hornet wrote:
From a Google Image search (I know nothing about chickens).

Silky:



Shamo:



The difference seems to be comparable to, for example, a sheep:



and a goat:



...which are clearly different species.

Oh, and as this is my first post, hello everyone.


hello
you could add a deer on the and and my point is clear

 
Alfred E Neuman
662550.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:19 am Reply with quote

beeblebum wrote:
you could add a deer on the and and my point is clear



You are aware that a sheep, a goat and a deer are three different species, and that the whole point about dogs is that they are all the same species? And also that the difference between a chihuahua and a Irish wolfhound is far greater than that show by the chickens that you have mentioned?

 
beeblebum
662571.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:49 am Reply with quote

Alfred E Neuman wrote:
beeblebum wrote:
you could add a deer on the and and my point is clear



You are aware that a sheep, a goat and a deer are three different species, and that the whole point about dogs is that they are all the same species? And also that the difference between a chihuahua and a Irish wolfhound is far greater than that show by the chickens that you have mentioned?


thats my piont ,sheep, a goat and a deer are three different species,and look closer than the chickens,the point is what they have been breed from one animal,dogs have a biger scale in size but some poultry if you didnt no any better like with dogs could be thought to be different species
you couldnt cross a black bird with a crow

 
Ameena
662719.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:56 pm Reply with quote

Well, those two chickens...they both have the same kind of shaped beak. Obviously I have no way to tell the scale of those pics but I'm guessing both birds are roughly the same size (I mean, the second one would be if it kind of crouched down a bit ;)). Fine, I take the point that they do look different. But not so different that they look completely and utterly different species.
Compare, say, a bulldog (short, stocky build, very short squashed snout, very short hair, etc) to the aforementioend Irish wolfhound (comparatively huge, longer body shape, tapering nose, midlength fur, longer anf fluffier tail, etc) and they are nothing like each other. At least the chickens still have the same shape beak! Yet both the bulldog and the wolfhound are the same species and could therefore breed together if they were so inclined.

 
Alfred E Neuman
662729.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:18 pm Reply with quote

Ameena wrote:
...if they were so inclined.


Would that inclining include the step ladder?

 
beeblebum
662736.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:28 pm Reply with quote

the size different is greater than you think
the silky is only about 10inches tall and wieghts half a pound to a pound ,the shamo is up to and sometimes over 3 feet (36inches)
and wieght upto 14 pound
all we did in history is breed for purpose with both animal species
no other two species have been changed more than these two species
today lap dogs and fancy fowl have taken this a to extremes
but you cant say that k9 species is the only one because it not true ,i have kept game fowl for some time and to watch them move you would understand were im coming from,
if you ever come across a poultry show pop in and have a look
im sure ill win my case


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Ameena
662768.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:37 pm Reply with quote

Win? I wasn't aware we were competing.
And Alfred - they wouldn't need a step ladder if it was the wolfhound who was male ;). Hmm, this reminds me of a Red Bull advert I saw once...

 
Flash
662772.  Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:20 pm Reply with quote

Beeblebum makes a reasonable and uncontroversial point surely? Dogs have a curious propensity towards diversity within the species, and chickens do as well, in different ways and perhaps to a different extent.

 

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