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masterfroggy
243157.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:43 am Reply with quote

markvent wrote:
according to the Official Scrabble Players Dictionary the following words are allowed ...



and Wookie - you're wrong I'm afraid ... no two letter words with C in either :)

Mark.


what about CH?

 
wookie
243159.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:45 am Reply with quote

Officially CH is allowable in scrabble and appears in the list of 2 letter words given out with the game.

CH English dial. for I
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rjackman/


However I will admit that it is dubious as to whether it actually counts as a word (at least according to wiki).

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Official_Scrabble_2-letter_words
Though there is no link as to where they got that information.

 
djgordy
243164.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:50 am Reply with quote

Scrabulous has a list of two letter words and Ch isn't in.

http://www.scrabulous.com/two_letter_words_twl.php

 
masterfroggy
243166.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:52 am Reply with quote

wookie wrote:
Officially CH is allowable in scrabble and appears in the list of 2 letter words given out with the game.

CH English dial. for I
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rjackman/


However I will admit that it is dubious as to whether it actually counts as a word (at least according to wiki).

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Official_Scrabble_2-letter_words
Though there is no link as to where they got that information.
However it is allowed under the Official Scrabble rules (British)

 
Davini994
243179.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:10 am Reply with quote

This is a SOWPODS vs TWL issue, I presume.

post 238124.

 
wookie
243183.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:15 am Reply with quote

Quote:
Scrabulous has a list of two letter words and Ch isn't in.

http://www.scrabulous.com/two_letter_words_twl.php


If you follow the link at the bottom of that page which says :
Quote:
Click here to view all the two letter words allowed in the TWL dictionary. We use the most up to date official Scrabulous dictionary that is freely available on the internet


You get to this page
http://www.scrabulous.com/two_letter_words_sowpods.php
Which does list CH. Not as up to date as they claim then :)

 
wookie
243218.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:01 am Reply with quote

I got confused Scrabbulous is using TWL as Davini994 suggests. The link I followed was to SOWPODS.

TWL is a subset of SOWPODS. The are a number of extra words in SOWPODS including CH. TWL does not allow the following:

CH DA DI EA EE FY GI GU IO JA KO KY
NY OB OO PO ST TE UG UR YU ZO

British Scrabble uses SOWPODS so I think my original question is valid :)

 
suze
243273.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:56 am Reply with quote

Aren't Scrabble word lists complicated! But yes, SOWPODS (or OWSI, as it's now officially called) allows a fair number of words which are to all intents and purposes obsolete.

CH is one such - it's a form of the first person pronoun. Although it ceased to be standard in the fifteenth century, some dialect speakers in south west England used ich instead of I for the first person pronoun into the nineteenth century, and it was often abbreviated as ch or 'ch. 'chill (I will) is noted as late as 1875 in Somerset.

So that just leaves V as a letter not found in any two letter words. The OED lists VA (an obsolete dialectal variant of "foe", "way" or "woe"), VE (obsolete Scots variation of "we", VO ("foe" again) and VY (old spelling of "vie") - which rather go to show just why the OED is rarely used for Scrabble. But the day may not be too far off when TV is accepted as a word proper rather than as an abbreviation.

 
markvent
243280.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:05 pm Reply with quote

wookie wrote:
Officially CH is allowable in scrabble and appears in the list of 2 letter words given out with the game.

CH English dial. for I
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rjackman/


However I will admit that it is dubious as to whether it actually counts as a word (at least according to wiki).

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Official_Scrabble_2-letter_words
Though there is no link as to where they got that information.


I'm sure I will be accused of hair splitting , but my understanding is that there are certain words that are allowable for tournament play that are not generally allowable (who do they think they are ?? petty bureaucrats !!) CH being one of them ... I may be wrong here of course :)

Mark.

 
suze
243353.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:10 pm Reply with quote

Depends on one's rules - in any game that's more than purely social, one should agree at the start which wordlist is in use.

The main instance of what Mark is talking about arises in the USA - the Official Scrabble Players's Dictionary is the usual dictionary for home play there. That work deliberately omits curse words and words deemed offensive, which is precisely why it isn't used in tournament play. It also omits CH, which can't therefore be used in any tournament in the USA or some in Canada.

But anyone playing under OSWI/SOWPODS is free to make CH. Anyone playing under Concise Oxford (as I'm sure many home players in Britain do) isn't, because CH isn't in.

 
samivel
243486.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:21 pm Reply with quote

How would one pronounce CH?

 
suze
243496.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:31 pm Reply with quote

//, I think. Not dissimilar to the first sound in a word like "huge".

 
samivel
243508.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:55 pm Reply with quote

Well, ch found that QI. Ch thank you.

:)

 
bobwilson
243523.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:46 pm Reply with quote

Isn't the point of scrabble to play an entertaining and interesting game with worthy opponents? Do I have to spell it out - if a word such as CH is the subject of discussion then the person who uses it should have to justify it's meaning, give examples of usage, and generally entertain the players - otherwise the moron is a nerd. It's a GAME!!!!!!

I'd be more entertained by someone who used the word CHYZ in a scrabble contest and came up with a plausible explanation than I would be by someone who used the word THE and got a triple word score. If you want to show off your linguistic abilities apply for a job with the CIA - if you want to have fun, have a ready supply of anecdotes to hand.

 
ryewacket
243587.  Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:19 am Reply with quote

<considers himself told>

 

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