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Lumpo31
242299.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:08 am Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:
Like whether Alan looks better with long hair or short hair :)


Long.

As did Stephen, but maybe that's because I have a soft spot for James May.

Lisa

 
Flash
242420.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:12 am Reply with quote

Angela - can you put us straight on Icelandic naming conventions? Is it the case that there are no family surnames, but that second names are taken from the father (for boys) or mother (for daughters)? I have seen various accounts of how this works, and they all differ slightly.

 
djgordy
242695.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:43 pm Reply with quote

I thought that second names were taken from the father's first name. So the son of Magnus Einarson would be called Gunnar Magnusson and the daughter of Magnus would be called Anna Magnusdottir.

 
Fontanelle
242698.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:50 pm Reply with quote

Lumpo31 wrote:
dr.bob wrote:
Like whether Alan looks better with long hair or short hair :)


Long.


What?! *starts an all-forum skirmish*

 
petipetra
242700.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:51 pm Reply with quote

Fontanelle wrote:
Lumpo31 wrote:
dr.bob wrote:
Like whether Alan looks better with long hair or short hair :)


Long.


What?! *starts an all-forum skirmish*

You can't mean you like it better when it's short!

 
Fontanelle
242704.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:57 pm Reply with quote

I was just jesting (: I actually prefer it midway.


I wonder if the elves are taking note of this.

 
Flash
242764.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:20 pm Reply with quote

djgordy wrote:
I thought that second names were taken from the father's first name. So the son of Magnus Einarson would be called Gunnar Magnusson and the daughter of Magnus would be called Anna Magnusdottir.

Well the current Prime Minister is called Geir Haarde so I guess it can't be universal, but Vigdís Finnbogadóttir, the first female elected head of state in the world, had a father named Finnbogi Rutur so I guess you must be right in general terms.

 
suze
242771.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:34 pm Reply with quote

As I understand it, most Icelanders have a patronymic second name. It's entirely permitted to have a matronymic second name, but rather less common.

That politician seems to be of Norwegian descent, and hence has an actual surname. According to Wiki, "Geir is among the rather few Icelanders whose last name is a surname rather than a patronymic".

By the way, he's a right winger. Which is a shame, because I'd have found it quite satisfying for there to be an Icelandic socialist called Geir Haarde. (Think about it ...)

 
samivel
242788.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:16 pm Reply with quote

Well, just to confuse things a bit, Magnús Magnússon would have been Magnús Sigursteinsson under Icelandic convention, but he was raised in Scotland and took his father's patronymic as his own. And his daughter is also called Magnusson.

 
djgordy
242808.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:32 pm Reply with quote

Flash wrote:

Well the current Prime Minister is called Geir Haarde so I guess it can't be universal,


I knew you were going to say that and am prepared for it. Mr. Haard's name is Norwegian rather than Icelandic so it doesn't follow the usual Icelandic convention.

The Queen of Iceland also has a non-Icelandic name. Kerry Katona.

 
Flash
242824.  Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:46 pm Reply with quote

Those crafty Norwegian bastards. I might have known.

 
Lumpo31
242898.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:09 am Reply with quote

djgordy wrote:
I thought that second names were taken from the father's first name. So the son of Magnus Einarson would be called Gunnar Magnusson and the daughter of Magnus would be called Anna Magnusdottir.


Just thinking about this - what about Magnus Scheving, Icelandic Aerobics champion (super-athlete really) - how does his last name work? Should he not be Magnus Schevingson or something along those lines, or does Scheving mean something else that's the exception that proves the rule?

Lisa

 
eggshaped
242921.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:11 am Reply with quote

Suze wrote:
Quote:
As I understand it, most Icelanders have a patronymic second name. It's entirely permitted to have a matronymic second name, but rather less common.


This is how I understand it; I think the law allowing matronymic surnames is relatively new, but is becoming increasingly popular with the increasing number of single-parent families (23% in 2003, Norden et al).

 
dr.bob
242927.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:22 am Reply with quote

djgordy wrote:
Mr. Haard's name is Norwegian rather than Icelandic so it doesn't follow the usual Icelandic convention.


We know! suze pointed that out about an hour before you did :)

 
dengsinn
243099.  Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:03 am Reply with quote

Hello dear QI's

I wanted to start by saying that Fry's comment about The Phallological museum really stung me too, as it would do to most Icelanders. But I guess flawed information tends to be a part of human nature, regrettably.

Concerning Icelandic convention in names then it is the usual practice for the children to get their fathers first name as their second. That is if a father is named Jon Hansson, his son would be Magnus Jonsson and his daughter Anna Jonsdottir. But also having a family name is not that uncommon, because of inter Scandinavian relations of old (usually making up the family name or just changing "-son" to "-sen"). If an Icelander were to acquire a family name today he/she would do so through marriage or, if there already is a family name somewhere among close relatives, apply for it. But the rules are rather strict and usually the relative has to be very closely related to you. Also it is possible to get the mother's first name as a second name. That happens usually automatic if a child is born outside marriage, as it happened with my half sister. It can also be requested by application, which I think is getting more and more popular nowadays.
I'm not entirely certain about these things myself as I don't have a family name and couldn't be bothered about it, for I am quite happy with my name as it is.

Concerning Björk and if she would have anything to do with The "Penis" Museum, then that just not going to happen. Ever. I don't like her, my friends don't like her, most of my relatives don't like her and it's the same story with almost everybody I know. She might be creative, but I regard her as a dreadful goddess of inhuman noises. She has become a nuisance which we, the good people of Iceland, can't get rid off, because, apparently, everyone else seems to like her. On the other hand, she's been one of the greatest and best advertising campaign for Iceland.

Hope I've cleared up some things, pardon the above rant about Björk. Never seemed to be able to get why people liked her, although I've only ever once been able to like her and that was on one album where she tried out some jazz-songs.

Guess that's enough.

dengsinn

 

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