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ElizabethSterling
218855.  Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:53 pm Reply with quote

Isn't that a lobectomised brain and not a lobotomised one? I always thought that cutting a part out was lobectomy and seperating the two halves was lobotomy.

Still, utterly chilling story and fascinating. I feel educated and a little nauseus. Thanks for sharing it!

 
AlmondFacialBar
218860.  Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:03 pm Reply with quote

cutting a part out is a lobectomy, yes. but the bits missing there weren't lobectomised, they just withered and died after freeman or one of his colleagues had inserted their ice pick and wiggled it around a bit, thus severing nerves and turning a substantial amount of brain tissue into mush.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
ElizabethSterling
218864.  Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:06 pm Reply with quote

I think my organs just retreated further in to the depths of my body...

 
AlmondFacialBar
218871.  Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:17 pm Reply with quote

oh, severing the two halves of the brain is, btw, a corpus callosotomy.

and thanks to the wikipedia article i found that in i've just found another medical impossibility in house. *tut*

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Frances
219033.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:08 am Reply with quote

Dear AFB, I'd be interested to know what is the medical impossibility in your house?

 
Tas
219066.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:54 am Reply with quote

Getting AFB away from the Tellyvisual Device when 'House' is showing?

:-)

Tas

 
AlmondFacialBar
219098.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:07 am Reply with quote

exactly, tas... :-P

and the medical impossiblity in the television drama commonly known as house was that the patient was able to button his shirt after having half his brain removed. hemispherectomy in adults usually leads to hemiplegia, sez wikipedia...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Tas
219108.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:34 am Reply with quote

Perhaps it was a functional hemispherectomy as (according to Wikipedia) that has replaced the removal of half the brain, these days. That is the removal of the temporal lobe only.

:-)

Tas

 
AlmondFacialBar
219112.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:36 am Reply with quote

no, it was an actual hemispherectomy, house said explicitly that half the guy's brain would be removed, and he gave sound medical reasons for it. (or as sound as they ever get anyway) and they definitely took out massive chunks of tissue during the operation. so - BOLLOCKS! ;-)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
samivel
219120.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:42 am Reply with quote

Quite - I say you should boycott the show until they learn some proper medicine.

 
Tas
219129.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:52 am Reply with quote

However,

Quote:
hemispherectomy in adults usually leads to hemiplegia, sez wikipedia...


So maybe he was lucky, as only TV-Hopsital patients can be...

:-)

Tas

 
AlmondFacialBar
219141.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:08 am Reply with quote

samivel - no way! the medical hogwash is half the fun!

tas - nope, the possibility was never mentioned. and sure as hell, even if house wouldn't have, foreman would?

btw, can i just mention that i never intended for this thread to turn out this way? *rolls eyes* ;-)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
markvent
219172.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:23 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
no, it was an actual hemispherectomy, house said explicitly that half the guy's brain would be removed, and he gave sound medical reasons for it. (or as sound as they ever get anyway) and they definitely took out massive chunks of tissue during the operation. so - BOLLOCKS! ;-)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar


Whilst the idea that a partially crippled Doctor, who pops Vicodin pills like they are tic-tacs having the mental agility and ability to puzzle out all these extremely unlikely conditions all the whilst surrounded by a team of what are essentially idiot savants, who seem to spasmodically lurch from supposed diagnosis to supposed diagnosis and hack away at patients and alter their medication every 5 minutes with impunity, in between running countless tests is completely realistic ... as you put it AFB .. BOLLOCKS!

/sarcasm

Mark.

 
AlmondFacialBar
219218.  Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:20 am Reply with quote

to be honest, i don't really see how being partially crippled (whatever that is - either he's crippled or he's not) comes into it. the last time i checked, the ability for abstract thought was located in the frontal lobe, not in the quadriceps muscles, and for all i can see his frontal lobe is in perfect working order. as for the vicodin, there are millions and millions of functioning addicts out there, who perform well in their jobs, make their meals and pay their bills. as long as you keep them well supplied with their drug of choice they'll be just fine. so, whatever about the rest, and i do agree that there is plenty of stuff to complain about regarding realism in house, the character as such is fairly sound. and his team has never really struck me as idiots savants, not since season 2 anyway.

and now for steering this back on topic - 40 or 50 years ago he'd have been considered an excellent candidate for a lobotomy.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Pangerio
1060285.  Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:56 am Reply with quote

I recently came a cross a quotation from Walter Freeman describing transorbital lobotomy, which was mentioned above. It also struck me as quite interesting...

"This consists of knocking them out with a shock and while they are under the 'anesthetic' thrusting an ice pick up between the eyeball and the eyelid through the roof of the orbit actually into the frontal lobe of the brain and making the lateral cut by swinging the thing from side to side. I have done two patients on both sides and another on one side without running into any complications, except a very black eye in one case. There may be trouble later on but it seemed fairly easy, although definitely a disagreeable thing to watch. It remains to be seen how these cases hold up, but so far they have shown considerable relief of their symptoms, and only some of the minor behaviour difficulties that follow lobotomy. They can even get up and go home within an hour or so."

Quoted in Oliver Sack's book: An Antropologist on Mars: Seven Paradoxical Tales.


http://books.google.com.mt/books/about/An_Anthropologist_on_Mars.html?id=h8UgAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

 

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