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31697.  Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:52 pm Reply with quote

It's large. It begins with 'D'. And it spawned the slogan 'Devon Knows How They Make It So Creamy'.

Well, two out of three ain't bad.

Post your Devonian delights here.

31705.  Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:01 pm Reply with quote

A little piece of Devon sounds like a little piece of Heaven.

31986.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:52 am Reply with quote

Cornwall has borders with only one county, and thats Devon.

31997.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:33 am Reply with quote

Devon now has its own flag:

The use of green on the flags seems to stem from its association with Devon's rugby team, and the Devon's flag group also claim "Viscount (or Lord) Exmouth flew a Green and White Flag at the Battle of Algiers (now on view at the Teign Valley Museum)." There is also some similarity to the Cornish flag, which is a white cross on black.

The flag is dedicated to the Celtic saint St Petroc, who is also the alternative patron saint of Cornwall.

31999.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:35 am Reply with quote

The coat of arms of Devon were granted in 1926. The red lion is that of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and King of the Romans. The crown denotes royal descent. The chief illustrates the maritime heritage of the County, in particular Sir Francis Drake's ship, The Golden Hind.

In 1962 a crest and supporters were added. The crest has a Naval crown for the long association of the Royal Navy with Devon. From this rises a pony's head. This represents the wild ponies of Dartmoor. The dexter supporter is a bull for agriculture and the sinister a sea-lion for the sea. The motto was that used by Sir Francis Drake and means By Divine Aid.


32000.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:38 am Reply with quote

These are days on which the Devon flag can be flown:

# 4 January St Rumon of Tavistock and Romansleigh
# 7 January St Brannock
# 5 March St Piran - patron saint of tin miners on both sides of the Tamar, and in recognition of our Cornish colleagues.
# 7 April St Brannock - as celebrated in Exeter May Bank Holiday Anniversary of the first time the flag was flown (at the World Gig championships on the Isles of Scilly)
# May/June Whilst Devon County Show being held
# 3 June St Kevin
# 4 June St Petroc (to whom the Devon Flag is dedicated)
# 5 June St Boniface of Crediton
# 6 June St Gudwal - hermit of Devon
# 17 June St Nectan of North Devon
# 21/22 June Midsummer
# 26 June St Brannock - feast day
# 8 July St Urith of Barnstaple/Chittlehapton
# 13 July St Juthware (sister of St Sidwell)
# 30 July Anniversary of the battle against the Spanish Armada off Plymouth
# 2 August St Sidwell
# 10 August St Geraint of Dumnonia
# 30 August St Rumon - feast day
# 26 September Anniversary of Drake's circumnavigation of the world in 1580
# 2 November St Cumgar
# 5 November St Kea of Landkey, Guy Fawkes night, Burning Barrel festival at Ottery St Mary, and the 'turning of the stone' at Shebbear
# 7 November St Congar
# 8 December St Budoc of Plymouth
# 12 December St Corentin
# 21/22 December Midwinter
# 1 Dec to 6 Jan New Year's Eve to twelfth night.

32002.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:40 am Reply with quote

More about those saints:

St Boniface is also the patron saint of Germany and the Netherlands.

St Geraint is responsible for bringing the ancient British church and that of Rome closer together.

St Petroc is remembered in numerous dedications across Devon (18), Cornwall (9), and Somerset (1).

St Sidwell was beheaded by her jealous mother in law but where her blood landed a holy well started to flow.

St Nectan was also beheaded when he surprised cattle thieves but simply picked up his head and walked home.

St Rumon was once accused of being a werewolf (he was found innocent).

St Brannock was given a vision telling him to build a church where he saw a sow with piglets.

If you have toothache a prayer to St Kea is your traditional source of relief.

32003.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:40 am Reply with quote

St IKEA is, of course, the patron saint of Islington.

Frederick The Monk
32006.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:45 am Reply with quote

Devon was home to the Prayerbook rebellion of 1549 which was caused by the compulsory introduction of the new English prayerbook.

When the priest at Sampford Courtney in Devon began reading to his congregation from the new prayerbook on 10th June, there were loud protests and he was forced to begin again, this time using the old Latin Missal and, with tempers flaring, mobs were soon on the street. As news of the rising spread, groups from villages across the West Country answered the call to rebellion. The local landowner in Sampford Courtney who was unwise enough to try to reason with the mob was murdered on the steps of his own house. Adding insult to injury the mob then buried his body north-south instead of the Christian east-west – the mark of a heretic. At Clyst St. Mary in Devon, an attempt by an overzealous Protestant gentleman to relive an old woman of her (now banned) rosary beads brought the whole village out in open revolt when she protested:

“sayinge she was threatened by the gentleman, that except shee woulde leave her beades and geve over holie breade and water the gentleman woulde burne theyme out of theire howses and spoyle theim."

By the beginning of July a ‘peasant army’ of a kind unseen since the Peasant’s Revolt had gathered on the outskirts of Exeter and laid siege to the city, the banner of the ‘five wounds of Christ’ that had signalled the Pilgrimage of Grace, again fluttering in the breeze. The demands of the rebels give us an insight into the concerns of the people of rural Cornwall and Devon at the time. The ancient ceremonies of the church were to be restored, the statues brought back and the much hated English prayerbook and bibles recalled. Perhaps more strangely to modern eyes, they demanded that Purgatory be reinstated. The response of the government was to instruct the nobility and gentry of the counties to order their peasant’s to return home – a move that would probably have had little effect even if the gentry hadn’t been in passive agreement with the rebels. As it was,the changes in the church and villages brought about by the Reformation and a series of hugely punitive new Royal taxes on sheep and cloth, designed to pay for the futile war with France, made many landowners at least tacit supporters of the rebellion.

The government’s next course of action went to the other extreme. Lord Russell, a major beneficiary of the Dissolution, and an army of mercenary troops were sent west and at Fenney Bridges by Clyst Heath on 5th August, this professional army annihilated the gathered peasants. Most of the rebels were massacred and those that escaped were hunted down and killed. The worst treatment was reserved for those clergy who had obstinately refused to adopt the new liturgy and had, in the eyes of the government, incited the rebellion. Their leader, a Cornishman called Robert Welshe was hanged in chains from his own church tower, with the symbols of the old faith – his robes, rosary and other such ‘popyshe trash’ hung about him. There he was left to die of exposure, which he duly did, ‘verie patientlie’, as one witness put it.

Retribution for the rising was swift and brutal. Sir Anthony Kingston, the Provost Marshall, was sent West with the power to judge, condemn and execute any rebels he found and the savage eagerness with which he took up the commission is still remembered in Devon and Cornwall today. The contemporary historian Richard Carew, although a devout Protestant himself, recorded with some distaste, Kingstone’s excesses, claiming, in one instance, that he:

"left his name more memorable than commendable amongst the Bodmin townsmen, for causing the Mayor to erect a gallows before his own door, upon which, after he had feasted Sir Anthony, he himself was hanged."

In St. Ives in Cornwall he is remembered as having played the same trick on the portreeve, John Payne. Having asked John to build a gallows, Sir Anthony asked if they were strong enough. Legend has it that the portreeve replied that he was sure they were, prompting Sir Anthony to comment:

“Then get up speedily, for they are prepared for you”

When John Payne protested he got the riposte:

"In faith, there is no remedy, for you have been a busy rebel."

And indeed there was no remedy – no trial, no right of appeal and no pardon. It is estimated that in the initial fight and the subsequent retribution more West Country people were killed by the Prayerbook Rebellion than by both World Wars.

Last edited by Frederick The Monk on Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:25 am; edited 1 time in total

32029.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:21 am Reply with quote

Stone the crows.

Frederick The Monk
32032.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:23 am Reply with quote

Is that an order?

32037.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:29 am Reply with quote

Yes. With their own stones.

Frederick The Monk
32040.  Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:31 am Reply with quote

You're a cruel man Flash - but I can't help thinking you've got their own interests at heart.

32268.  Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:48 am Reply with quote

That Prayerbook Rebellion info is fascinating - is there an internet source where I could discover more?

32298.  Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:44 am Reply with quote

It is estimated that in the initial fight and the subsequent retribution more West Country people were killed by the Prayerbook Rebellion than by both World Wars.

Just to make sure I've understood this properly - Fred, do you mean that more West Country people were killed by the Prayerbook Rebellion than the number of West Country people killed by both World Wars?


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