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261681.  Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:22 pm Reply with quote

No self-respecting Unstoppable Killing Machine would ordinarily look like an Unstoppable Killing Machine, because that would remove the element of surprise.

Sadurian Mike
261716.  Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:28 pm Reply with quote

I see your cats and raise you a very confused tiger.

261960.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:02 am Reply with quote

actually mike, that would be a great photo for caption competition too. perhaps you can slide it on over there if no one has posted a new one in a while?

and nonieth, i know your kitties are cute and fluffy and probably harmless, but the laws about keeping cats inside are like every other law in existence: many may keep it but there are always those who don't, and the law has to be there to protect everyone.

does anyone have info on how cats affect the native species in england? problem here, as i've stated before, is australia has such unique wildlife that is highly specialised. i'm forever going outside and seeing piles of feathers from birds that have been eaten by cats.

261964.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:27 am Reply with quote

My point was more that for two pedigree genetic throwbacks I need a license, when realistically a mongrel moggy is probably going to do more damage, but that can be left to wander around at will.

There's an interesting BBC article here. which puts the figure of cat-related deaths in British wildlife at up to 275 million per year.

261973.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:30 am Reply with quote

as always, and sadly, there are those who do the right thing (like you), and those few who spoil it for everyone who don't (mongrel moggy owner/neglecters).

i had suggested in an earlier post, that all animals who are not specifically used for breeding purposes should be desexed. hopefully that would help keep down the numbers

262230.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:57 am Reply with quote

Practical problem, of course, is catching all of them.

262234.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:04 am Reply with quote

you won't be able to catch the moggies, but from a certain date all cats would have to be registered and desexed. microchipping is a very good idea!

we have a couple of cats living underneath and around our house. blasted things, especially when they start their antics at 3am, and then have a party on mr reddy's car, leaving paw prints and scratch marks all over it!

262283.  Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:31 pm Reply with quote

reddygirl wrote:
actually mike, that would be a great photo for caption competition too.

I've moved it guys.

Robert Carnegie
269215.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:31 am Reply with quote

exnihilo wrote:
General Woundwort, I don't think you can really make the claim that the Plains Indians would have hunted the bison more had they the means, their method of hunting was largely about killing what was needed and using every part. As for the value of bison, that was true in the beginning, but towards the end of their slaughter the market had collapsed and their corpses were simply left to rot, even their skins fetched next to nothing. Bounties were paid for their killing however, which does rather look like a deliberate policy.
Who paid a bounty? If it was a matter decided and debated by public representatives then a written record probably would remain of such a discussion. There also would be public advertisement of the bounty offer and the terms needed to claim - the ears and the tail perhaps? It would come into several books on the subject, one suspects.

A cursory look at some superficially objective records, such as and , doesn't show up a bounty on bison, with or without an intention to ruin the Indian economy, although wiping them out seems to have had that effect anyway. But one supposes that practical-minded settlers would simply shoot the Indians, surely?

In general, I think a distinction can be drawn, perhaps arbitrarily, between causing a species extinction by reckless exploitation not adequately considering the possibility of an extinction, exhaustive exploitation to get maximum immediate benefit being aware that extinction is a foreseeable consequence, exterminating a species because it is in conflict with public safety or prosperity, and exterminating a species to deny someone else its exploitation. No doubt some of these may have been achieved on various species by "native Americans" themselves: I agree this isn't a race of saints.

World fisheries fall in my first two categories, I think, mostly the second. There is the tragedy-of-the-commons too where if you don't take a resource then your neighbour will do. asserts that British honey-bees were not wiiped out in the early 20th century, but farmed bees were substantially reduced and the loss was met by importing bees.

269360.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:41 am Reply with quote

Have any other organisations or goverments deliberately introduced policies to wipe out animals?
I suspect more damage is done through the power of appetite than through politics. What's needed are tempting tasty recipes for cane toads, pigeons and grey squirrels.

269361.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:43 am Reply with quote

stir-fried politicians?

269367.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:59 am Reply with quote

You've seen Sweeney Todd more than once then. *chuckle*

269594.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:55 pm Reply with quote

my friend would be really usefull on the american indian debate, as she is writing a very well reserched essay on whether or not there was deliberate genoside of the native americans. what i've picked up from her talking about her sources so far is that there was awful deliberate racism from the americans to the indians. some of the sources she read were very upsetting and make her shout at the book on the bus.

mean while i decided that it would be a good idea to do my essay on the establishment of the NHS which was a stupid idea as no-one seems to have written about it ever befor. i wish i knew this in the summer :(

269665.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:28 pm Reply with quote

It might help to look up some stuff about Aneurin Bevan, strawhat - it was widely regarded as his 'baby' I think, and books and websites that deal with him would be certain to have some stuff about the beginning of the NHS in it.

269679.  Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:51 pm Reply with quote

Try this link strawhat, if you haven't already.


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