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Zebra57
864186.  Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:39 am Reply with quote

In Luxembourg there has been an increase in the Francophone influence since the First World War, but there is still a small Luxembourgish-speaking minority. In Arelerland, near the border with the Grand Duchy, which includes the City of Arlon the popularity of Luxembourgish has increased significantly in recent years.

 
Gooische Vrijgezel
864372.  Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:13 am Reply with quote

Zebra57 wrote:
In Luxembourg there has been an increase in the Francophone influence since the First World War, but there is still a small Luxembourgish-speaking minority. In Arelerland, near the border with the Grand Duchy, which includes the City of Arlon the popularity of Luxembourgish has increased significantly in recent years.


It's about the scale, not just about the culture, history or language I mentioned earlier. The borders of the main language do matter, unlike borders of former Duchies. There's French, Dutch and German. Les Francophones occupied Brussels without a strategy, as far as I'm allowed to tell vous. If it's Flemish against French, the small German areas play no role and are small, compared to both Wallonia and Germany. Hence the possible vote, albeit their leaders already have been voted for and could decide it instead.

The Duchies play no role, for one because there are divided by borders between languages and countries. Limburg is an example, with a French capital and Dutch-speaking parts in both Flanders and the Netherlands. Albeit Limburg is the only Dutch province with a Gouverneur.

If you suddenly want to rejoin the Luxembourgs, we have to keep in mind that the large Belgian part isn't a country. Assuming the current situation, it would be more like that Wallonia becomes a recognized country, and the country Luxembourg, i.e. El Dorado, would negotiate joining the (poorer) country Wallonia. It's hard for the country Luxembourg to recognize an Independent Belgian Luxembourg to talk with, for one because the independent Wallonia may have a problem with that.

Just the language or a majority isn't enough. If it was, selfish people in (at least the east of) the Dutch province Groningen could promote the use of English and German, which would allow then to sell their natural gas to the highest bidder, Germany or the U.K.

Perhaps Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is a better example. It's a part of the Netherlands, it's not connected to the Dutch main land, the people already speak the language of Belgian Vlaanderen, there's the connection with Vlaanderen, and the people may go shopping in Belgian Vlaanderen instead of Brabant, or other parts of Zeeland. Still Zeeuws-Vlaanderen cannot donate itself to Belgian Vlaanderen, and if it could (or tried) Belgium wouldn't respect the vorders of another country. Northern Ireland cannot join Ireland. Parts of France cannot join Monaco.

I think the most important reason to not let it happen is that Belgian people have about no reason to join Luxembourg, and I don't think El Dorado wants to share its gold with French foreigners. Right now I'm in a city with a former El Dorado'ish tax rate of 0%. But I'm afraid the city cannot leave the country to restore that situation. Despite the foreign Saxon connections and the influences of the French language, they thought that was posh.

By the way, recently there was yet another attempt to get rid of the Dutch provinces, at least the layer of regional government. The provinces involved, North-Holland, Utrecht and Flevoland, didn't like the proposal. It's a bit like creating a South East England or East Great London to replace a.o. Essex, Kent and Sussex. Even if it saved some money and provinces hardly play no role, what about the heritage?

 
Zebra57
868189.  Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:15 am Reply with quote

Elio Di Rupo, leader of Belgiumís Francophone Socialist party is reported to be in the process of forming a Coalition Government excluding the Flemish Nationalists.

 
CB27
993243.  Wed May 01, 2013 5:41 pm Reply with quote

Even up to the 1970s Tafelbier (Table Beer) was served in schools, and has recently been introduced to some schools again to replace soft drinks which are full of sugar.

Tafelbier is a low alcohol beer, typically around 1.5%, though the rules for providing it in schools allows up to a maximum of 2.5%.

It might explain the likes of Herman Van Rompuy :)

 
'yorz
993250.  Wed May 01, 2013 6:08 pm Reply with quote

Gooische Vrijgezel wrote:
The Duchies play no role, for one because there are divided by borders between languages and countries. Limburg is an example, with a French capital and Dutch-speaking parts in both Flanders and the Netherlands. Albeit Limburg is the only Dutch province with a Gouverneur.


Hm. Only now spotted some strange things in the above post.

Limburg is the most southern Dutch province, with its capital Maastricht. Where the notion that it is French comes from...? I suspect it has to do either with some bad editing of this sentence, or with waccy baccy.

All Dutch provinces have a Gouverneur, it's just that only Limburg calls him/her thus; the other call him/her 'Commissaris van de Koning/Koningin'.

 
Jenny
993391.  Thu May 02, 2013 10:34 am Reply with quote

I'm going to be visiting Brugge for five days in June, with a trip to Gent in the middle of that and possibly a few hours in Brussels on the last day. Any suggestions for interesting things to see?

 
'yorz
993396.  Thu May 02, 2013 10:46 am Reply with quote


Well, for starters there's the Atomium


and the Garden of the Chinese Pavillion

 
Jenny
993400.  Thu May 02, 2013 10:51 am Reply with quote

Oooh ta 'yorz.

 
'yorz
993402.  Thu May 02, 2013 10:54 am Reply with quote

You're welcome.

And then I really should point you to....

Pierre Marcolini in the centre of Brussels.
Wet Dream.
Honest.

 
suze
993406.  Thu May 02, 2013 10:56 am Reply with quote

Michelangelo's Madonna and Child in the Cathedral of Our Lady comes at once to mind. Lots of other art stuff too.

I've not been to them, but for the less highbrow there is also a Chocolate Museum and a Chips Museum.

Remember not to speak French. While most people there can speak French, it's a Dutch-speaking city and the locals are much happier speaking English.

 
'yorz
993408.  Thu May 02, 2013 11:02 am Reply with quote

When I lived there, it was much better to speak French, as Wallon was easier for me to understand than Flemish.
In restaurants etc French was the language used.
Admittedly that was 30 years ago, but I much doubt that that has changed.

 
suze
993413.  Thu May 02, 2013 11:24 am Reply with quote

Probably not, and you have the advantage that you lived there; I was just passing through.

But the first time I went to Brugge, the husband - as he wasn't yet - addressed a barman in French and was utterly ignored. When I addressed the same barman in English, he wanted to be my new best friend.

 
swot
993419.  Thu May 02, 2013 11:43 am Reply with quote

Were you wearing a low-cut top at the time?

 
'yorz
993424.  Thu May 02, 2013 12:12 pm Reply with quote

swot! That's below the belt.


well, not that low *quickly vade retro*

 
CB27
993438.  Thu May 02, 2013 12:37 pm Reply with quote

Just remember Jenny, when in Bruges avoid racist dwarf actors :)

 

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