Forum location: QI.com Forum Index
> E Series General Ignorance
View previous topic | View next topic
Churchill/England show |
Page 1 of 1
|
Bunter
|
161558. Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:15 am |
|
|
Who was the last jewish prime minister?
F: Disraeli
A: Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill's mother Jenny Jacobson/Jerome was a New York Jew. Chuchill described the Jews as "the aristocracy of the human race".
Source: Jerusalem Post, 18 January 1993.
The Week: 31 March 2007 |
|
|
|
 |
MatC
|
161583. Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:05 am |
|
|
But were they both practising Christians? I believe Dizzie was; did Winnie go to church, either for personal or political reasons? |
|
|
|
 |
suze
|
|
|
|
 |
dr.bob
|
161588. Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:27 am |
|
|
The only references I can find on 'tinterweb to Winnie's mum being Jewish all use exactly the same words and are obviously quoting the same source. This appears to be an article written in the Jerusalem Post (January 18, 1993) by Moshe Kohn who claims that Jenny Jerome's dad, Leonard Jerome, was Jewish and changed his name from Jacobson to Jerome to cover this up to some extent.
However, as pointed out by this letter to the Times, Leonard's father (Isaac), grandfather (Aaron), and great grandfather (Samuel) were all also called Jerome and trace their ancestry back to Timothy Jerome, a Hugenot immigrant who was definitely not Jewish.
It's suggested that the Jerusalem Post article may be mixing up its Jeromes. |
|
|
|
 |
Bunter
|
161735. Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:18 pm |
|
|
Quote: | However, as pointed out by this letter to the Times, Leonard's father (Isaac), grandfather (Aaron), and great grandfather (Samuel) were all also called Jerome and trace their ancestry back to Timothy Jerome, a Hugenot immigrant who was definitely not Jewish. |
Without meaning to sound like a loon, any dynasty that uses the names Isaac, Aaron and Samuel are Jewish without a doubt. End of story. Close the case. Quod Errat Demonstrandum.
Although it's purely conjecture, I think they tried to hide their jewishness. |
|
|
|
 |
MatC
|
161809. Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:49 am |
|
|
Quote: | Without meaning to sound like a loon, any dynasty that uses the names Isaac, Aaron and Samuel are Jewish without a doubt |
I really think that’s a myth, which is being exposed daily by the craze for internet genealogy; look at any English family tree in the 19th century and you’ll find it festooned with Old Testament names, including Isaac and the rest. I have no evidence for the next bit, but I suspect that it was the anti-Jewishness (precisely comparable to the anti-Islam of our current decade) which overtook the nation during the late 19th/early 20th centuries which led to the abandonment of OT names by non-Jewish families.
Also, I have to come back to this, because I think we could blunder into trouble here: there is a Jewish religion, there is no Jewish race. Disraeli was not Jewish because he was a Christian and you can’t be both: end of story. This matters a lot to a lot of people, and any suggestion by QI that people can be Jewish by race (even if self-described as such) will give offence and will lead to more correspondence than you can shake percy at.
(On the other hand: a list of famous Jews who weren't Jewish would include not only Disraeli but also Karl Marx, an atheist raised as a Protestant, almost all of whose male ancestors were rabbis.) |
|
|
|
 |
Flash
|
161824. Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:31 am |
|
|
Don't let's worry about this; it isn't a viable question for the show. |
|
|
|
 |
Page 1 of 1
QI.com Forum Index > E Series General Ignorance
All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Search Forums
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group