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Bunter
161558.  Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:15 am Reply with quote

Who was the last jewish prime minister?

F: Disraeli

A: Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill's mother Jenny Jacobson/Jerome was a New York Jew. Chuchill described the Jews as "the aristocracy of the human race".

Source: Jerusalem Post, 18 January 1993.

The Week: 31 March 2007

 
MatC
161583.  Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:05 am Reply with quote

But were they both practising Christians? I believe Dizzie was; did Winnie go to church, either for personal or political reasons?

 
suze
161585.  Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:19 am Reply with quote

This seems to be disputed.

Jennie's father Leonard Jerome is normally supposed to have been of Huguenot origin, and there seems to be no hard evidence that his surname was originally Jacobson as this story supposes.

His wife, Jennie's mother, was one Clara Hall. It's often claimed that she was a Native American, although this too suffers from a lack of evidence.

None of the sources I can find is what you'd call authoritative - not a word I'd often apply to the David Icke forums - but neither can I find an authoritative non-Jewish source in favor of the claim.

Would they have allowed a Jew into the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem? Jennie was a member, and the membership declaration includes the line "I will endeavour always to uphold the aims of this Christian Order".

http://www.search.com/reference/Leonard_Jerome
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1690&page=2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Jerome
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//c/churchill.jennie.j/churchill-mother-jewish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Jerome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venerable_Order_of_Saint_John

 
dr.bob
161588.  Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:27 am Reply with quote

The only references I can find on 'tinterweb to Winnie's mum being Jewish all use exactly the same words and are obviously quoting the same source. This appears to be an article written in the Jerusalem Post (January 18, 1993) by Moshe Kohn who claims that Jenny Jerome's dad, Leonard Jerome, was Jewish and changed his name from Jacobson to Jerome to cover this up to some extent.

However, as pointed out by this letter to the Times, Leonard's father (Isaac), grandfather (Aaron), and great grandfather (Samuel) were all also called Jerome and trace their ancestry back to Timothy Jerome, a Hugenot immigrant who was definitely not Jewish.

It's suggested that the Jerusalem Post article may be mixing up its Jeromes.

 
Bunter
161735.  Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:18 pm Reply with quote

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However, as pointed out by this letter to the Times, Leonard's father (Isaac), grandfather (Aaron), and great grandfather (Samuel) were all also called Jerome and trace their ancestry back to Timothy Jerome, a Hugenot immigrant who was definitely not Jewish.


Without meaning to sound like a loon, any dynasty that uses the names Isaac, Aaron and Samuel are Jewish without a doubt. End of story. Close the case. Quod Errat Demonstrandum.

Although it's purely conjecture, I think they tried to hide their jewishness.

 
MatC
161809.  Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:49 am Reply with quote

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Without meaning to sound like a loon, any dynasty that uses the names Isaac, Aaron and Samuel are Jewish without a doubt


I really think thatís a myth, which is being exposed daily by the craze for internet genealogy; look at any English family tree in the 19th century and youíll find it festooned with Old Testament names, including Isaac and the rest. I have no evidence for the next bit, but I suspect that it was the anti-Jewishness (precisely comparable to the anti-Islam of our current decade) which overtook the nation during the late 19th/early 20th centuries which led to the abandonment of OT names by non-Jewish families.

Also, I have to come back to this, because I think we could blunder into trouble here: there is a Jewish religion, there is no Jewish race. Disraeli was not Jewish because he was a Christian and you canít be both: end of story. This matters a lot to a lot of people, and any suggestion by QI that people can be Jewish by race (even if self-described as such) will give offence and will lead to more correspondence than you can shake percy at.

(On the other hand: a list of famous Jews who weren't Jewish would include not only Disraeli but also Karl Marx, an atheist raised as a Protestant, almost all of whose male ancestors were rabbis.)

 
Flash
161824.  Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:31 am Reply with quote

Don't let's worry about this; it isn't a viable question for the show.

 

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