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MatC
161026.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:09 am Reply with quote

Bunter wrote:
Escoffier was sacked from the Savoy for accepting bungs from suppliers and he also trained Ho Chi Minh as a pastry chef.


“What do we want?”
“Death to imperialism!”
“When do we want it?”
“After we’ve finished these buns!”

 
Gray
161037.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:16 am Reply with quote

And, according to Stephen's Who Do You Think You Are episode, he's related to the famed chocolatier.

 
Molly Cule
161066.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 am Reply with quote

To Fry the chocolatier? Excellent.
Stephen - what did my great great uncle make for Queen Victoria to send as a New Years present for the troops?

 
eggshaped
161074.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 am Reply with quote

A cadbury's chocolate bar taken on the Discovery Expedition to the south pole. Doesn't look all that appetising, does it?

 
Frederick The Monk
161122.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:08 am Reply with quote

Quote:

“What do we want?”
“Death to imperialism!”
“When do we want it?”
“After we’ve finished these buns!”


Simply glorious - and buns links us back to elephants of course.

 
Frederick The Monk
161123.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:12 am Reply with quote

Sadly there seems to be some doubt about whether Escoffier taught Ho Chi Minh. The wiki says:

Quote:
It is claimed that Ho trained as a pastry chef under the legendary French master, Escoffier, at the Carlton Hotel in the Haymarket, Westminster, but there is no evidence to support this.


and gives the following source - Sophie Quinn-Judge, Ho Chi Minh: The Missing Years pp. 20-21, 25, which I haven't read but which looks pretty good.

 
Frederick The Monk
161125.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:13 am Reply with quote

Ho Chi Minh was one of the founding members of the French Communist Party.

 
fenifur
920443.  Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:55 pm Reply with quote

Even Mrs Beeton mentions not dining a la russe if you live beyond your means in 1861..!
Perhaps he just started them doing it in the Savoy?
I've also seen in mentioned in a newspaper earlier than that, in terms of how the British in India had picked up the practice earlier than those in the home country.

 
Jenny
920583.  Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:34 am Reply with quote

Welcome fenifur, but that doesn't quite seem to make sense to me. Surely you'd be more likely to over-cater if you dined with all courses on the table at the same time than if they were served one at a time, a la russe?

 
fenifur
920597.  Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:17 pm Reply with quote

I think the idea was that you couldn't spare the staff - not the expense! Plus I think in order to make a table look 'full' for each course it would actually work out as more food doing each course separately, as there were often around 14 courses when it was done that way.
"This style of dining required a large number of servants to ensure that each successive course was delivered and cleared away efficiently. Only the wealthy Victorian and Edwardian host would have been able to have afforded the required number of servants for a traditional, 14 course, dinner service à la Russe. "
Still, I didn't wrote it, ask Mrs Beeton ;p
I was using that as one example to point out that eating a la russe came to Britain far earlier than previously stated. :)


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fenifur
920598.  Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:18 pm Reply with quote

*write it - although "I didn't wrote it" sounds quite funny when said out loud...

 
CB27
920604.  Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:00 pm Reply with quote

I used to know this German girl who had some delightful peculiarities to her English (besides a sexy accent), one of them was mixing up past and present verbs, the other was inserting German words into her sentencesm so I can imagine her saying "I did not wrote it, it was Frau Beeton" in a German accent :)

 
fenifur
920637.  Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:49 pm Reply with quote

Haha! That's amazing :) reminds me a bit of Allo Allo when the British people are doing similar; Lick the deer for Lock the door etc. I dread to think what I sound like when I try to speak other languages, so I a) try not to and b) Never make fun of any non native english speakers.. :p

 
Spud McLaren
920757.  Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:04 pm Reply with quote

fenifur wrote:
Haha! That's amazing :) reminds me a bit of Allo Allo when the British people are doing similar; Lick the deer for Lock the door etc. I dread to think what I sound like when I try to speak other languages, so I a) try not to and b) Never make fun of any non native english speakers.. :p
If memory serves, it was only the gendarme who did this. The other British characters all spoke either passable, or no, French.

From Wiki -

"Officer (Captain) Crabtree (played by Arthur Bostrom) (series 2 to 9) – A British spy posing as a French police officer. Unfortunately, he has a terrible grasp of French, which means that sometimes he is quite incomprehensible, most famously noticeable in his usual greeting: "Good moaning!". Despite his almost incomprehensible speech, the Germans never seem to suspect him. To quote a notable example: "I was pissing by the door when I heard two shats. You are holding in your hind a smoking goon. You are clearly the guilty potty!" Another, during an air raid, is: "They have had a direct hot on the pimps!" "The pimps?" "The pimps! The pimps in the pimping station! No water is being pimped through the poops!" Another example: "The troon carrying the sissage has been bummed by the RAF. There are little pissers all over the track." To repair the airmen's air balloon: "You must get your hands on girl's knockers. At least farty, maybe fifty." And: "I am mauving in a ginger fashion becerrs my poloceman's pints are full of dinamote!" He then unbuttoned his flies and slowly pulled out several large knockwurst in front of the watching café. After the introduction of Crabtree into the show, Yvette frequently announced him as "That idiot British Officer who thinks he can speak French". He says: "I admit my Fronch cod be butter." Another example came when Officer Crabtree mistook Captain Alberto Bertorelli for a German officer, addressing him with a raised hand and: "Hole Hotler!" (as taken from script) instead of "Heil Hitler!" When Captain Bertorelli pointed out he was actually an Italian, Officer Crabtree responded with: "Hael Missuloni!" instead of "Hail Mussolini!". The character was largely inspired by British Prime Minister Edward Heath's dreadful French accent."

 
'yorz
920764.  Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:15 pm Reply with quote

Indeed, it was only Crabtree who spoke such. Nice piece, that.

 

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