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176405.  Mon May 21, 2007 9:11 am Reply with quote

The phrase "The Empire on which the sun never sets" (Spanish: el imperio en el que nunca se pone el sol) was first used to describe the Spanish Empire in the 16th century, and originates with a remark of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (Charles I of Spain), who declared "in my realm the sun never sets."

Source: Wiki

If true, good GI non?

176602.  Tue May 22, 2007 2:35 am Reply with quote

And I think it's a good bet that the sun still never sets on what's left of the British 'Empire', due to the scattered remains of our overseas dependencies:

Frederick The Monk
177162.  Wed May 23, 2007 10:30 am Reply with quote

Bunter wrote:
"in my realm the sun never sets."

Attributed but only appears in wiki-based sources. The earliest use of the phrase I can find is by Christopher North (17851854):

"His Majesty's dominions, on which the sun never sets."

Blackwood's Magazine (April 1829) "Noctes Ambrosianae" no. 42. (quoted in ODQ)

OED says it was applied to the Spanish dominions in the 17th century.

Frederick The Monk
177164.  Wed May 23, 2007 10:35 am Reply with quote

Wait a minute, I can do better than that.

Walter Scott in 1826 in his Life of Napoleon (vol VI) had the great man say:

"The stake I play for is immenseI will continue in my own dynasty the family system of the Bourbons, and unite Spain for ever to the destinies of France. Remember that the sun never sets on the immense Empire of Charles V."

Oo and whilst I'm at it here's Thackeray in Punch in 1846:

"Snobs are..recognised throughout an Empire on which I am given to understand the Sun never sets."

And from 1857 in Tom Brown's Schooldays' byThomas Hughes:

"The great army of Browns, who are scattered over the whole empire on which the sun never sets."

Frederick The Monk
177168.  Wed May 23, 2007 10:38 am Reply with quote

Ah-ha., but this is much earlier, from 1630
"Why should the brave Spanish Souldiers brag; The Sunne never sets in the Spanish dominions, but ever shineth on one part or other we have conquered for our King."

and James Howell in Dodona's Grove in 1640:
"Her dominions are very spacious, that the Sun never forsakes her quite."

Frederick The Monk
177169.  Wed May 23, 2007 10:38 am Reply with quote

Isn't anybody else playing?

Frederick The Monk
177197.  Wed May 23, 2007 11:52 am Reply with quote

I'll get my coat.

177272.  Wed May 23, 2007 4:01 pm Reply with quote

Sol supra nostrum imperium non descendus est

Inscription on lintel stone of Temple of Apollo at Hieropolis, approx 10-20 AD

177349.  Wed May 23, 2007 6:27 pm Reply with quote

Lovely play Flashy.

Mykos Solaria trish klefthi shlei brathyiou

Persian stone relief, circa 345 BC


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