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Molly Cule
167711.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:40 am Reply with quote

80-year-old recipes for invisible ink, circa World War I are six oldest documents in the National Archives and Records Administration.

They are STILL secret information, the CIA will not allow access to the information. There has been a lawsuit about this by some loser who really wants to know.

He is called Zaid, he has found web sites and experts who can reveal secret inks -- with names like "Hustler's" and "Double Agent Red" -- much more advanced than the rusty 1917 varieties. To boot, Zaid found a KGB-designed disappearing ink pen, a faux Mont Blanc, on sale for $60. (The pen comes with a note: "not to be used for illegal purposes or for signing legal instruments.")

Even so, the CIA is holding its ground.

Molly Cule
167712.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:42 am Reply with quote

Herodotus tells the tale of Histiaeus who, in the sixth century BC, shaved the head of his most trusted slave, tattooed a message on his scalp and let his hair regrow. The slave then travelled unchallenged to Aristagoras ,who was instructed to shave the slave's head, revealing the message urging him to revolt against the Persians.,13026,1546179,00.html

Molly Cule
167721.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:52 am Reply with quote

On February 14, 2002 a federal judge agreed with CIA lawyers who argued
that the now 80-year-old secret invisible ink formula should remain
secret. U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson disagreed with
arguments advanced by attorneys for the James Madison Project, a nonprofit
group that aims to reduce secrecy and promote government accountability,
and ruled that release of the secret World-War I formula - since it remains
viable for use by the CIA - could compromise national security.

The legal battle over the ink formula began back in 1998 when the Project
asked the National Archives to identify the oldest classified document in
its custody. The Archives responded with six documents dealing with secret
ink. The Project requested copies but the request was denied.

The CIA was pleased with the ruling. According to CIA spokesman Mark
Mansfield, "We don't want information that would be useful to terrorists
and others who wish to harm Americans out in the public domain...Just
because a document is dated doesn't mean it has lost its usefulness and
sensitivity. It could be very useful to someone who wishes to communicate
secretly and do harm."

167727.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:00 am Reply with quote

[quote="Molly Cule"]
tattooed a message on his scalp and let his hair regrow

So, not that urgent a message, then.

Molly Cule
167749.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:21 am Reply with quote

I know! Think how slowly everything must have proceeded in those days when people had to run a la marathon with messages rather than send emails...

167765.  Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:36 am Reply with quote

Links to post 151493

Molly Cule
168985.  Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:40 am Reply with quote

Since we were talking about lie detectors here is a drug called scopolamine er cut and paste from wikipedia

as a truth drug was investigated by various intelligence agencies, including the CIA, during the 1950s. see: Project MKULTRA.

It was found that, due to the hallucinogenic side effects of the drug, the truth was prone to distortion, and the project was subsequently abandoned. Nazi doctor Josef Mengele experimented on scopolamine as an interrogation drug.

Scopolamine is used criminally as a date rape drug[citation needed] and as an aid to robbery, the most common act being the clandestine drugging of a victim's drink.[citation needed] Victims of this crime are often admitted to a hospital in police custody, under the assumption that the patient is experiencing a psychotic episode. A telltale sign is a fever accompanied by a lack of sweat.

In Colombia a plant admixture containing scopolamine called Burundanga has been used shamanically for decades. In recent years its criminal use (as outlined above) has become an epidemic. Approximately fifty percent of emergency room admissions for poisoning in BogotŠ have been attributed to scopolamine. Also in Caracas, Venezuela, crime related to burundanga techniques has multiplied in the last year

Molly Cule
169261.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:51 am Reply with quote

How can gummy bears help you rob a bank and get away with it?

Use them to make false fingerprints to avoid detection.

Fake fingers are made from modelling clay and fake fingerprints from gelatine, which is from the bone and skin of animals - the same as in gummy bears only minus the fruit juice and colourings. With a good print you can pass yourself off as someone else. Or probably even as a koala if you liked.

These fingers are nicknamed gummy fingers.

A Japanese researcher, Tstomu Matsumoto, made gummy fingers and used them to fool fingerprint authentication systems.

A plastic mould of a real finger was made, and then he created a false finger by injecting gelatin into the mould. With this "gummy finger" gained unauthorised access through 11 fingerprint scanners he tested about 80 per cent of the time.

Molly Cule
169262.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:52 am Reply with quote

There are people with no fingerprints; people suffering from Naegeli syndrome and dermatopathia pigmentosa reticularis (DPR) both are caused by a lack of keratin 14. This stops their bodies from creating fingerprints and from perspiring normally.

Molly Cule
169264.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:52 am Reply with quote

Fingerprint identification was not originally developed in order to figure out who had committed crimes, but to help police figure out who they had actually arrested. Pre-fingerprinting, repeat offenders used to used fake names when caught a second time and they were only found out if beat cops, specifically stationed in courtrooms and jailhouses for the purpose, happened to recognize them and expose their real identities. In 1869 the Habitual Criminals Act required judges to take past crimes into account in passing sentence; this further increased the need to know who was who.

Modern fingerprinting arose in colonial India, to give a definitive "signature" on lease agreements. This system was developed by a British official called William Herchel.

Henry Faulds published the first article on using fingerprints in criminal investigations in the scientific journal NATURE, in 1880. Francis Galton, the father of eugenics, subsequently developed a system (still in use today) for numbering the ridges on the tips of the fingers, which made it easier to use fingerprint information.

We assume fingerprinting works, but how do we know it does? What constitutes a match? France and Australia require 12 identical points; Italy requires 16; while standards in United States vary by and within states.

In a recent FBI test, examiners at fifty-three agencies were asked to compare a defendantís prints with two latent prints found at a crime scene. Only twenty-one agencies said both prints matched; while eight could not match one print and six could not match the other.

Fingerprints : The Origins Of Crime Detection And The Murder Case That Launched (Paperback)
by Colin Beavan

Molly Cule
169265.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:52 am Reply with quote

What use is foot-printing babies?

None at all. Although hospitals like to take a print of a babies big toe to help with identifying the babies in case of a mix up this is shown to be ineffective.

Story here from time magazine

Many hospitals take a footprint of each new baby in the hope of avoiding mix-ups in identity. But Lieut. Colonel Kenneth S. Shepard saw no reason not to question the practice just because it is S.O.P. At Travis Air Force Base in California he had prints carefully made of the feet of 51 newborn babies, then got the babies in for repeat prints five to six weeks later. He sent the two sets of prints, coded only by number, to experts in criminal fingerprinting.

The result: only ten pairs could be matched, and most of those were too fuzzy to be used in evidence if a mix-up case ever got to court. Dr. Shepard concludes in Pediatrics that footprint-ing of babies is worthless. To avoid confusion he suggests that hospitals stick to a name band put on the baby's wrist in the delivery room.,9171,842544,00.html

Molly Cule
169266.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:53 am Reply with quote

Why donít spies like net curtains?

It makes it harder for them to eavesdrop on conversations. Many government offices have got net curtains to keep their conversations more private.

Laser microphones can pick-up conversations from up to a kilometre away by monitoring window vibrations. Net curtains are a simple antidote since they help absorb the sound and so corrupt any signal.
Science of Spying at the Science Museum and

Molly Cule
169268.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:56 am Reply with quote

Spies use tiny things called entometers Ė their wing design is inspired by the wing shape of the hawk moth. They are tiny flapping micro aerial vehicles (MAVs) that can fly, crawl and swim. They may soon be used to explore the thin atmosphere of Mars.
S Science Museum

Molly Cule
169269.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:56 am Reply with quote

The US navy has found mines by attaching underwater cameras to dolphins to see beneath the waves.

Night vision goggles pick up an amplify light too faint for human eyes. The internal image screen is always green because you can see more shades and detail in green than in any other colour. The goggles are often used with an infrared strobe unit, its flashing light is unusable to you or anyone else but can easily be seen with goggles
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Molly Cule
169272.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:01 am Reply with quote


The US army has over a thousand ravens to show troops what lies ahead. It is a portable spy plane that comes in parts that can be snapped together in 10 mins for a birdís eye view of earth. You throw it into the air to launch it then fly it remotely or let it fly itself using GPS.
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