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Molly Cule
154493.  Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:59 am Reply with quote

Since we were talking about Guys on bonfires I thought this might be useful background if we use that question...
In the Liverpool streets of Dingle and Toxteth kids used to burn effigies of Judas at Easter. They would also buy a pigs bladder, tie it to a stick and beat Judas with it before he was burned.

Burning Judas also happens in Greece, Spain and Mexico.[url][/url]

154498.  Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:04 am Reply with quote

In the Liverpool streets of Dingle and Toxteth kids used to burn effigies of Judas at Easter.

They now do the same with Vauxhall Corsas.

157798.  Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:58 am Reply with quote


157813.  Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:40 am Reply with quote

Jenny posted this in the outer darkness:

Easter is essentially a pagan festival, to do with death and rebirth, and as such was adopted by Christians and the story of the death and resurrection of Christ was fitted to it. According to Bede, even the name Easter is taken from the goddess Eostre, a Goddess of spring, fertility, rebirth, and the rising sun. Her feast is known as Ostara among pagans. However, wiki notes that there are no other references to Eostre except in Bede.

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157833.  Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:12 am Reply with quote


161227.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:08 am Reply with quote

Easter Island

Gotta be something we can do with those heads. This from a friend who went there last year:

1) What do the carved heads stare at?

The pedantically correct answer is the sky as their gaze is very slightly upwards, but the answer that most people give is the sea. This is wrong as they actually face(d) inland.

2) What links Easter Island to the NASA space program?

The island's airport runway has been extended at NASA's expense so that they could land the Space Shuttle there in the event of an emergency landing in the Pacific. This is directly as a result of the Island being the furthest island from any landfall in any direction (Pitcairn Island - the nearest - is over 2000km away). The islanders refer to the Island as Te Pito O Te Henua - translating to The Navel of the World.

Also: apparently Thor Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki hypothesis as to where the islanders came from has now been definitively disproven by DNA analysis.

And also also: perhaps the ecological disaster theory under which Easter Island is seen as an analogy for a self-destructive world is a myth:

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Frederick The Monk
161231.  Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:12 am Reply with quote

Flash wrote:
Easter Island


Also: apparently Thor Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki hypothesis as to where the islanders came from has now been definitively disproven by DNA analysis.

Too true - see Pollard J. A History of Archaeology (Quercus, 2007) Forthcoming

163706.  Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:03 pm Reply with quote

Supermarket chain Somerfield has been in the news for putting out a press release deploring the fact that most people don't know that Easter celebrates the birth of Christ (amended to re-birth in a subsequent release and to resurrection in a third). Here's the survey they ran under the name "Easter Ignorance":

A couple of the questions:

12. Why do we have an Easter bunny?
a) He led the disciples to the location where Jesus was resurrected

13. Why do we give each other Easter eggs?
a) Because Jesus liked chocolate
b) It was the first food Jesus ate after his resurrection
c) It symbolises the rebirth of Jesus
d) Because lots of chickens died at Easter

164542.  Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:28 pm Reply with quote


164696.  Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:53 am Reply with quote

Catholic League head Bill Donohue called it "one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever".

Yeah, I remember reading that on the BBC news website and thinking he might be over-exaggerating ever so slightly. Surely it's less offensive than the Piss Christ, and even that pales into insignificance compared with some nastier events from history.

One of my cow-orkers reckons they're not so much upset that he's made from chocolate, but that he's naked. Hmmm, interesting point.

164704.  Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:05 am Reply with quote

Hmmm, interesting point

Has he, indeed?

164713.  Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:22 am Reply with quote

As long as the warm weather doesn't melt the chocolate

165851.  Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:43 pm Reply with quote

Could the deforestation of Easter Island actually have been down to rats?

I don't know, but this article talks about it, and I haven't got time to read it now, so I'm logging it for future reference.

166017.  Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:38 am Reply with quote

Jared Diamond's book Collapse deals with this rather complex issue - it wasn't any single cause, more a combination effect (like most things, of course):
A first set of factors involves damage that people inadvertently inflict on their environment... extent and reversibility of that damage depend partly on properties of people... and partly on properties of the environment... A next consideration in my five-point framework is climate change, a term that today we tend to associate with global warming... [but which also involves] changes in natural forces that drive climate, and have nothing to do with humans... A third consideration is hostile neighbors... The fourth... is the converse of the third set; decreased support by friendly neighbors, as opposed to increased attacks by hostile neighbors... The last set of factors... involves the ubiquitous question of the society's response to its problems... [which] depend on its political, economic and social institutions, and on its cultural values. [Emphasis mine.]

Diamond begins by placing these factors in a present-day context to which most of us can relate: Montana. Once he is sure we have a grasp of the complexity involved in these inter-locking issues, he goes on to consider historical collapses in the Pacific Islands (Easter Island and the Pitcairns), the desert West (Anasazi), Viking settlements in Iceland, Greenland and Vinland, and the Mayan empire.

He then examines collapses in progress or barely averted in more recent societies: Rwanda, New Guinea and the Dominican Republic. Finally, he turns that carefully developed spotlight on nations as he looks at how these factors play in China and Australia; and on global corporations, as he examines input from and impact on the oil, mining, farming, lumbering and fishing industries.

The author pulls no punches in this endeavor; where there are culprits in human skins, Diamond identifies them. It was chastening to realize, though, how often the collapsed societies simply had bad luck. For example, Diamond and another researcher isolated nine factors that tend to promote deforestation of Pacific Islands once they are settled by men. Of those nine, Easter Island had eight. The Easter Island deforestation and the subsequent catastrophe was there in potentio the day men first landed on its shoresóbut collapse was hastened by the islanders' practice of cremation. Without that extra impetus, the forests of Easter Island might have survived to the time of contact with white explorers.


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