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169385.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:41 am Reply with quote

Ah, that sounds likely. He thought most things caused lust!

169387.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:44 am Reply with quote

I'm having trouble googling "breakfast masturbation" though.

169390.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:57 am Reply with quote

Try "masturbation corn flakes" instead.

Nothing bad could possibly come out of that! :)

169392.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:01 am Reply with quote

egg is about right here. John Harvey Kellogg had a bit of a problem with sex - especially masturbation - and a lot of his work was dedicated to finding ways of preventing people from Doing It.

He said things like "neither the plague, nor war, nor small-pox, nor similar diseases, have produced results so disastrous to humanity as the pernicious habit of onanism", and advocated circumcision without anaesthetic and the application of concentrated carbolic acid to the clitoris as means of reducing the urge.

Cornflakes fitted into the master plan, because he believed that a rather plain diet was essential in preventing people from getting too excited. His brother, Will Keith Kellogg, was more of a business man though - and ultimately went behind John Harvey's back and set up the Battle Creek Toasted Corn Flake Company (nowadays called the Kellogg Company).

I haven't read it, but Kellogg, J H Treatment for self-abuse and its effects, plain facts for old and young 1888, F Segner & Co, Burlington, IA is often cited.

He was also a white supremacist, which somehow doesn't surprise me at all.

169395.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:10 am Reply with quote

Suze, do you think we can get away with saying that cornflakes were invented to prevent masturbation?

I suspect not, as I believe they were invented serendipitously, as this, from the (my fave food resource) says:

The two brothers that year were experimenting with masses of boiled wheat dough, put through rollers to make it into sheets. One night, Will left the dough out overnight before rolling it. The next morning, instead of a flat sheet coming out through the rollers, the dough broke up into flakes. Nothing daunted, he put it on the menu for breakfast for patients at the Sanitarium, and it was a hit -- the patients asked for more. In fact, patients wanted the flakes even after they had left the Sanitarium and returned home, so a mail-order business was set up, 15 cents for a 10 ounce (280 g) package. In 1896, Will sold 113,400 pounds (51,450 kg) of the Corn Flakes this way -- without any advertising.

169398.  Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:23 am Reply with quote

It's a tricky one.

As you note, the actual invention of the corn flake was serendipitous. J H Kellogg was not slow to note their value to his anti masturbation campaign, but they weren't actually invented for that purpose.

Rev Sylvester Graham had invented Graham Crackers sixty years earlier as part of an anti-sex diet plan, so claiming that they were invented specifically for the purpose is more defensible. It's rather less useful though, since most people in Britain are probably unfamiliar with Graham Crackers. (Those who have been to North America are more likely to have encountered them - but these days they are made of refined flour and have sugar in; you'd have to go to a health food store to find "original recipe" examples.)

169472.  Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:27 am Reply with quote

According to the Nestlé website,

No one can be absolutely sure where the name KitKat came from but it is believed to be from the famous 1920's KitKat Club in South East London which had some influence. As the building had very low ceilings, it could only accommodate paintings which were wide and not very high. In the art world, these paintings were known as 'kats'. It's believed that KitKat derived its name from paintings, which had to be snapped off to fit into the rooms with the low ceilings.


169493.  Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:43 am Reply with quote

eggshaped wrote:
Suze, do you think we can get away with saying that cornflakes were invented to prevent masturbation?

No, clearly not - but couldn’t we tweak the question? “When Mr Kellogg accidentally invented cornflakes, he quickly realised what they could be used for. What was that?”

By the way, is the story of the accidental invention 100% solid? It’s just that so many immensely famous brands seem to have accidental invention origin stories, I wonder if sometimes it’s just part of the style.

172665.  Tue May 08, 2007 6:41 am Reply with quote

re: big breakfast

An Austrian group declared on Saturday that it had set a record for the world's longest restaurant table with place settings for 1,800.

The table, set up along a shopping street, stretched 1.2 kilometres (three-quarters of a mile), organisers said.


172689.  Tue May 08, 2007 8:17 am Reply with quote

Flamingos always eat with an erection.

Flamingos eat by bending their necks, tilting their bills upside down in the water and swishing their heads from side-to-side.

What wasn't known, until they were scanned by a team at Ohio University, is that they have large sections of of erectile tissue located on the floor of the mouth on either side of the tongue.

This material stabilises mouth and allows flamingos to eat in this strange way.


It was mentioned in the meeting that flamingos eat like whales, by filtering out small food. With the question "What eats like a whale?" put forward.

However it seems that Basking Sharks and Whale Sharks eat this same way, which, I think, is the obvious answer. Anyone think of a way round?

172701.  Tue May 08, 2007 8:53 am Reply with quote

I think we can argue that sharks are slightly different - they push the water out their gills to seive out the goodies - it's a 'tube' system (The other shark that does that is the amusingly titled 'megamouth shark'.)

Whales and flamingos suck in the water, then close their 'plates' and force it back out again - it's a one-way system.

So I think we're still safe.

172720.  Tue May 08, 2007 9:23 am Reply with quote

Thx Gray.

Does anyone know when the first Chinese Restaurant was opened in the UK? I think the first one in London was opened in 1908, but I refuse to become so London-centric as to automatically assume that the rest of the country must have followed the big-boys in the big-city.

It seems that they mostly became popular due to the influence of WWII. According to this site there were less than 500 chinese immigrants in the UK in 1945!

177389.  Thu May 24, 2007 2:43 am Reply with quote

In the last 4 years, at least three sets of parents in the US have been convicted of murder, involuntary manslaughter or cruelty after the deaths of their children who they'd put on a vegan diet.


<edit> There seems to have been a bit of an outcry over the pond about this subject in recent weeks. For an alternative view see here

177391.  Thu May 24, 2007 2:52 am Reply with quote

Some wines contain animal proteins. A practise called "fining" uses animal proteins like egg-whites to remove impurities from the wine: some proteins can remain in the product.


406518.  Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:19 pm Reply with quote

Molly Cule wrote:
What are Kit Kats used for in Japan?

Good luck charms. The chocolate sounds a lot like the Japanese phrase kitto katsu who roughly translates to "I hope you succeed!" Parents buy them for their children before exams. There are heaps of types of the chocolate in Japan including tropical fruit flavors Kit Kats.

The first kit kat was a meat pie, made by a man with a pie shop in Temple Bar called Chrisopher Catling whose nickname was Kit Kat.

The Kit Kat club were a group of Whig politicians and literary folk who used to meet in secret in the pie shop, they may have plotted the Glorious Revolution.

I think Molly Cule, I got a good knowledge of kit kat chocolate. And thanks for sharing this information with us.

John Philips


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