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155359.  Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:42 am Reply with quote

I hear from my reputable sources that the Russians had difficulty pronouncing 'Hitler', which came out as 'Gitler', although this sounds a little fishy to me.

155576.  Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:10 am Reply with quote

Gray first: Indeed, in Russian there's no "H" sound and in transliterations it is normally replaced by "g". Interestingly, the "h" sound exists in Ukrainian!

To Matt: Those were not os much "revolutionary" pseudonyms as aliases of hardened criminals who were constantly in hiding. Stalin, as you probably know, started as a bank robber. Lenin was repeatedly arrested and exhiled for "political crimes". With time, of course, criminal "evolved" into revolutionaries".

156432.  Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:29 am Reply with quote

Several other “pseudonyms” of the famous “revolutionaries” who were all Jewish and had distinct Jewish names. With anti-Semitism rampant in Russia, it was one of the main reasons for their name changes.

Leon Trotsky (pseudonym of Lev Davidovich Bronstein)

Russian Jewish revolutionary, born in Yanovka, S Ukraine. He studied at Odessa, and in 1898 was arrested as a Marxist and exiled to Siberia. He escaped in 1902, joined Lenin in London, and in the abortive 1905 revolution was president of the St Petersburg Soviet. He then worked as a revolutionary journalist in the West, returning to Russia in 1917, when he joined the Bolsheviks and played a major role in the October Revolution. In the Civil War he was commissar for war, and created the Red Army. After Lenin's death (1924) his influence began to decline. He was ousted from the party by Stalin, who opposed his theory of ‘permanent revolution’, exiled to C Asia (1927), and expelled from the Soviet Union (1929). He continued to agitate as an exile, and was sentenced to death in his absence by a Soviet court in 1937. He finally found asylum in Mexico, but was assassinated by Ramón Mercader, a Spanish Communist. The Soviet government denied any responsibility and Mercader was convicted and imprisoned.

Grigory Yevseevich Zinoviev (real name Ovsei-Gershon Aronovich Radomyslsky)
also known as Hirsch Apfelbaum, primary revolutionary pseudonym Grigory, privately Grisha), (September 23 [O.S. September 11] 1883 - August 25, 1936) was a Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet Communist politician.
Before the 1917 Revolution (1901-1917)
Grigory Zinoviev was born in Yelizavetgrad (currently Kirovohrad), Ukraine, Russian Empire on September 23, 1883 to Jewish dairy farmers, who educated him at home. Between 1923 and 1935 the city was known as Zinovyevsk (or Zinovievsk).
Zinoviev joined the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party in 1901 and was a member of its Bolshevik faction from the time of its creation in 1903. Between 1903 and the fall of the Russian Empire in February 1917, he was one of the leading Bolsheviks and Lenin's closest associates, working both within Russia and abroad as circumstances permitted. He was elected to the RSDLP's Central Committee in 1907 and sided with Lenin in 1908 when the Bolshevik faction split into Lenin's supporters and Alexander Bogdanov's followers. Zinoviev remained Lenin's constant aide-de-camp and representative in various socialist organizations until 1917.

Kamenev, Lev Borisovich, 1883–1936, Soviet Communist leader. His original name was Rosenfeld. He joined (1901) the Social Democratic party and sided with the Bolshevik wing when the party split (1903). Banished (1915) to Siberia for his revolutionary activities, he returned after the February Revolution of 1917 and became a member of the first Politburo of the Communist party. On Lenin's death (1924), Kamenev, Stalin, and Zinoviev formed a triumvirate of successors and excluded Trotsky, Kamenev's brother-in-law, from power. In 1925 the Stalinist majority in the party defeated Kamenev and Zinoviev, who joined (1926) Trotsky's opposition. Kamenev was expelled from the party in 1927, but he recanted, was readmitted, and held minor offices. He was arrested late in 1934 on charges of complicity in the murder of Kirov and was sentenced to imprisonment. In 1936 he, Zinoviev, and 14 others were tried for treason in the first big public purge trial. They confessed and were executed. Zinoviev's wife, Trotsky's sister, perished in the Gulag.

Molly Cule
156457.  Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:47 am Reply with quote

When Lenin lived in London he used to go to the British Library Reading Room, which he loved. There he signed in under the name Jacob Richter.

Frederick The Monk
156701.  Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:33 am Reply with quote

It it just me of have we drifted off the 'Elderliness' theme?

156703.  Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:34 am Reply with quote

That's just typical of your generation ...

156713.  Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:45 am Reply with quote

He said THAT'S JUST TYPICAL OF YOUR ... NO, TYPICAL ...TYP ... oh, never mind.

Frederick The Monk
156721.  Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:04 am Reply with quote

Yes I'd love a cup.

Frederick The Monk
159244.  Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:04 am Reply with quote

Picture researchers - could we clear this image of the statue of Lenin at the Pole of Inaccessibility?



162543.  Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:59 am Reply with quote

I have been in contact with a member of the British Team who reached the POI. He has provided me with some additional facts about the POI as he says many of the ones that can be found on the net are incorrect. I can also get hold of that photo should you require it Piers.

· The POI or Polyus Nedostupnosti as it was then named , was first reached by the 3rd Soviet Antarctic Expedition in December 1958 using slow moving tractor train’s. It was part of a co-ordinated 12 nation international effort to open up the last unknown continent during the 1957-1958 International Geophysical Year. It is the point that is furthest from any coast line, the definition of coastline being where the Antarctic land mass, not the ice shelves meets the ocean. If the Antarctic was a perfect circle then it would be located directly at its centre.
· It is at an altitude of 3725m (12,220ft). This altitude not only makes it extremely cold but can result in potential altitude sickness, shortness of breath and other symptoms that occur at these heights. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that at the poles of the globe the air is 20% thinner thus giving an apparent altitude of over 4400m (14 700ft)
· You would have drill down through nearly 3km of ice before hitting bedrock
· The coldest temperature in history ever recorded is -89.2 °C on July 10 1985 at Vostok station, a Russian Base some 1010km (630miles) away. The POI as well as being one of the most remote points on the planet is potentially one of the coldest points being both higher and further from the coast (the oceans are a warming influence) than Vostok


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