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RLDavies
1259244.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:53 am Reply with quote

I don't like gratuitious sex scenes in writing any more than on screen. If it's a necessary part of the story, then all I ask is that it be written as well as the rest of the book. (Sex is notoriously hard to write.)

I'm currently re-reading Brian Aldiss' Helliconia trilogy, which includes highly pertinent and extremely well-written scenes of sexual desire and sexual action. Pretty much a masterclass in the subject.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1259250.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:34 am Reply with quote

Bad sex in otherwise good books is always particularly painful. The worst sex I've ever read was in a steamy romance novel that was deplorable all the way through, though. I'm still not sure how I managed to get through it one go, but I did. Suffice it to say that the surprise plot twist on page threehundredandtwentysplunge was that the protagonist's love interest wasn't her biological son. Anyhoo, in that estimable work of Anglo-Irish literature the love interest's engaged privates were invariably described as his furnace...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
filofax
1259252.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:44 am Reply with quote

I remember my vaguely homophobic father saying that he didn't like seeing men kissing on the telly.
I asked him if he would prefer to see Ken and Deirdre from Coronation Street. He went ashen and I think I proved my point!

 
L on earth
1259255.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46 am Reply with quote

I recently read a romance novel self-published by a member of my family, which contained a fair amount of (terribly-written) sex scenes. I'm not sure what was the most traumatising; phrases like 'her clearly inflamed womanhood ' and 'the V of her sex', the terrible grammar and spelling, or the incest scenes.

Christmas is going to be awkward.

 
Paul-R
1259263.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:35 am Reply with quote

When I read, I hate sex scenes, they are boring, I skip them. But when I write, I have found that books without sex scenes do not sell. I have stories I have written/are writing without any sex, but they make no money, and end up either as free eBooks or free websites. However add a few sex scenes and I make a bit of money out of the book. Turn them into out and out porn, and they make enough to have been worthwhile spending the time writing them. -- I hate humans, especially those who read!

 
suze
1259275.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:29 pm Reply with quote

L on earth wrote:
phrases like 'her clearly inflamed womanhood ' and 'the V of her sex', the terrible grammar and spelling, or the incest scenes.


Does this literary masterpiece* also use the word manroot for the plenipotentiary instrument?

* Well OK, it is certainly literary master-something ...
I think this name for it was first used in Fanny Hill. What with being foreign, I grew up thinking that the fanny was something else, and I was probably 40 before I realized that Fanny Hill is a direct translation of Mons Veneris ...

 
L on earth
1259306.  Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:53 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Does this literary masterpiece* also use the word manroot for the plenipotentiary instrument?


Tragically not; I think there's actually only one reference to the male appendage in the whole book, and the applied euphemism there is manhood. He is apparently working on a sequel though, so maybe I'll suggest manroot for that one...*
And yes, it is certainly a literary mastersomething.

*I'll draw the line at plenipotentiary instrument though; for a book that refers to going below a woman's 'waste', I think that may be a bit of a stretch.

 
dr.bob
1259333.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:23 am Reply with quote

L on earth wrote:
I recently read a romance novel self-published by a member of my family, which contained a fair amount of (terribly-written) sex scenes.


You are Jamie Morton and I claim my five pounds!

For anyone unaware, I can thoroughly recommend the podcast My Dad Wrote a Porno. It consists of the aforementioned Mr Morton and two of his friends reading through a book his father wrote which contains the most cringe-worthy sex scenes imaginable. It is extremely funny.

The podcast has lots of celebrity fans who have appeared on it. QI's Dan Schreiber has also been on ;-)

 
monzac
1259341.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:44 am Reply with quote

Yes, MDWAP is wall to wall gratuitous sex scenes in the pots and pans industry.

 
cornixt
1259389.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:09 am Reply with quote

As a teenager, I read a lot of horror novels. There must have been some unwritten rules that every horror novel since 1970 must contain at least one sex scene for the protagonist, who was always a young to middle aged man who was a bit of a bastard but his heart was in the right place.

 
'yorz
1259390.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:42 am Reply with quote

On top of his dick?

 
suze
1259405.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:41 am Reply with quote

I've never been particularly keen on horror fiction other than Stephen King (whom I don't really consider to be a horror fiction writer, although that is a subject for an essay rather than a sentence in passing here).

But when the good husband was in his teens and early twenties he probably read a lot of the same books that cornixt did, and he concurs with the suggestion that a sex scene is a compulsory feature.

It was in one of James Herbert's novels that he encountered the notion of the male central character "using her anus as a vagina" (apparently that is precisely how it was worded). Until he read that, husband had not even been aware of this possibility. The things he missed out on by not being raised Catholic ...

 
cornixt
1259410.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:42 pm Reply with quote

Ah, the now infamous Loophole.

 
crissdee
1259417.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:16 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
"using her anus as a vagina" ......... Until he read that, husband had not even been aware of this possibility.


Iirc, when I was introduced to the "f" word as a child* (by a school contemporary, just in case you were worrying!) I was told that was what it meant. It was only some time later** I learned of the "other" way.




*Late Infant school, probably about 7 years old.

** Early Junior school, pre-teens.

 
Paul-R
1259437.  Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:28 pm Reply with quote

cornixt wrote:
There must have been some unwritten rules that every horror novel since 1970 must contain at least one sex scene.

Ah yes, memories. I used to read a lot of horror novels, and in the 1970s I was a teenager. In a previous post I said that I hate sex scenes in books, but that is now. As a teenager I was quite keen on them, and I can still remember one scene in a Guy N Smith novel where the monster was chasing the heroine through the woods. Her clothes kept snagging on the trees, so she had to take them off and discard them one by one as she ran. As a teenager I could visualize every moment of that scene in my mind's eye.

 

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