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Zebra57
731625.  Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:17 pm Reply with quote

Fred what is QI are the Portuguese words which have been adopted as part of the English language.

It includes Zebra! Included is a list (not necessarily definitive) from Wiki

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Posital
731633.  Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:34 pm Reply with quote

Frederico Rogeiro wrote:
Ours is musical, but I think brazilian is more.
Brasilian portugues gets my top vote... even if half the songs are about football...

"The girl from Ipanema" - is an example one might be familiar with.

PS: Didn't realise the Gilberto Gil was the minister for culture for five years!! He's a brilliant performer...

 
Frederico Rogeiro
731712.  Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:05 am Reply with quote

That's interesting, Jenny.
I think southern european countries stayed behind in history by remaining roman catholic after the Reformation. That made us more conservative than you.
In Portugal that got even worse, because our long ditatorial regime, headed by Salazar (1928-68) and Caetano (68-74), had a strong religious foundation, very convenient to mantain people ignorant and humble.
Also due to historical factors, the North of Portugal is more conservative than the South. That, I think, is mostly because the North has an earlier ocupation and stronger community bonds. This, as we know, implies the "moral" community (as Durkheim would say).

 
suze
731767.  Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:41 am Reply with quote

Posital wrote:
"The girl from Ipanema" - is an example one might be familiar with.


The "classic" English language version of The Girl from Ipanema is the 1964 version conventionally credited to João Gilberto - even though he doesn't actually appear on it. On that version, the vocalist is Astrud Gilberto (who had been married to João, although they had separated by this time) and the sax player is Stan Getz (who had by then replaced João in Astrud's bed).

 
AlmondFacialBar
748866.  Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:49 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
The language in which one dreams is sometimes claimed as the arbiter for bi- or multilingual people, while for women it's often said to be the language in which one curses when giving birth.


No it's not, it's the language you count in. I dream bilingually, quite unrelated to which country I'm actually in. I can't judge the one about giving birth. I, however, count in German, just like every other ex-pat I've ever met in this country count in their respective first languages. Have a listen the next time you're in a supermarket and a foreigner counts out your change for you. ;-)

And as for native languages - isn't that a political thing, too? A lot of Irish people will tell you that while their first language is English, their native language is Irish. Same goes for me and Low German...

(nothing quite like quoting a three year old post, teehee...)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar


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Jenny
748982.  Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:38 pm Reply with quote

Welcome back AFB :-)

 
AlmondFacialBar
748983.  Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:47 pm Reply with quote

Thanks! :-) Not giving any warranties how long I'll last this time round, though... ;-)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
walterpoupaert
802748.  Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:46 pm Reply with quote

About major languages :

People seems to ignore that Indonesian became the most spoken language in the world after English, Mandarin, Hindu and Spanish.

Indeed this language is the official one in the Republic of Indonesia and now used by everybody as lingua franca. This makes 240 million people.

In addition, the language of Malaysia is almost the same. I am able to understand them and they me.

Over more, this language is very beautiful : it sounds like Italian. And easy to learn !

 
vampfan
851721.  Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:09 am Reply with quote

Hans Mof wrote:
Don't even get me started on Scandinavian languages...


In sweden there are no offical language, but most speak swedish
In Norway the offical languages is Kven, Sami and norwegian with two written norwegian, new norwegian (nynorsk) and the most used: book norwegian (bokmål). There are also sign language and braille.
In denmark the offical language is danish.

There are no other skandinavian countries, Iceland and Finland is part of the nordic countries, but not skandinavia

 
suze
851752.  Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:28 am Reply with quote

Good point about Sweden. Swedish is not the official language of Sweden because the country doesn't have one - the Constitution is silent on the matter. Riksdagen did try to pass a law in 2005 which would have declared Swedish the official language, but it failed narrowly because a couple of MPs broke prearranged pairing.

Norway is an interesting case. It's implicit in the constitution - but not stated in so many words - that the official language is Norwegian. As noted, there are two "standard" versions of Norwegian, and every municipality is free to decide whether its written output will be in Bokmål or Nynorsk. About 85% of the country uses Bokmål. As an oddity, the definitive version of the Norwegian constitution is in Danish, and Norwegian law is written in Danish.

The Sámi languages together with Kven (i.e. Finnish by any other name) have a lesser official status.

 
Munin
868906.  Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:50 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Good point about Sweden. Swedish is not the official language of Sweden because the country doesn't have one - the Constitution is silent on the matter. Riksdagen did try to pass a law in 2005 which would have declared Swedish the official language, but it failed narrowly because a couple of MPs broke prearranged pairing.


While it is true that our constitution doesn't cover official languages it is covered by other laws. In 2000 five minority languages (those were Finnish, Meänkieli, Saami, Yiddish and Romani chib) rose to the status of "official minority languages" and thus became roughly equal in status to the Swedish Sign language, which already in 1981 was officially recognized as the first language of Sweden's deaf population.

Then finally in 2009 the Riksdag passed a law declaring Swedish the "huvudspråk" (roughly translated as "main language" or "primary language") of Sweden. So while it is true that the exact word "official" ("officiell" in Swedish) wasn't used, Swedish has in fact officially been recognized as the main language of Sweden, albeit quite recently.

 
suze
868909.  Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:05 pm Reply with quote

Thanks Munin, that is useful information. There must have been some politics at play in declaring both Finnish and Meänkieli to be official minority languages, since they are essentially the same language. (Meänkieli has a lot of loanwords from Swedish which are not used in standard Finnish, but so do dialects spoken in western Finland which are not considered as distinct languages.)

Again, it must have been politics which meant that the attempt to declare Swedish the "official" language failed, but a later attempt to declared it the "main" language succeeded.

Not that the lack of an official language is actually a problem for a country. The USA doesn't have one at a federal level (some of the states do), and neither does England (Scotland and Wales do).

 
Munin
868986.  Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:05 pm Reply with quote

Well, there is that saying about a language being a dialect with a government and an army. Now, the Meänkieli-speakers may not have an army, but they have been pretty vocal in defining themselves as an ethnic group of their own. More so, i suspect, than the speakers of Jamska or Älvdalska. Those two are still considered Swedish dialects, but from what I understand, could just as easily be considered languages in their own right.

As for Swedish not being official language until recently: a lot of people just didn't think it needed to be. I'm not entirely sure of it myself to be honest. Swedish has kept its position as the nations "main language" and I don't see that position being threatened.

A reason for the change in the politics however might be the 2006 election when the coalition of socialdemocrats, socialists and greens lost out to the liberal/conservative alliance. But I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about that before seeing how the respective fractions of parliament actually voted in the matter, and right now I haven't got the energy to look it up.

Cheers.

 
Prof Wind Up Merchant
948436.  Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:46 pm Reply with quote

In Kenya there are many tribes with ethnic languages.

 
spursystarman
1218426.  Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:16 pm Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
suze wrote:
The language in which one dreams is sometimes claimed as the arbiter for bi- or multilingual people, while for women it's often said to be the language in which one curses when giving birth.


No it's not, it's the language you count in. I dream bilingually, quite unrelated to which country I'm actually in. I can't judge the one about giving birth. I, however, count in German, just like every other ex-pat I've ever met in this country count in their respective first languages. Have a listen the next time you're in a supermarket and a foreigner counts out your change for you. ;-)

And as for native languages - isn't that a political thing, too? A lot of Irish people will tell you that while their first language is English, their native language is Irish. Same goes for me and Low German...

(nothing quite like quoting a three year old post, teehee...)

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

I've invented my own language, and am looking forward to dreaming in it!

 

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