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Tas
192582.  Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:02 am Reply with quote

Heretic! Kill The Unbeliever!

Oh, sorry.....God of The Sun, and not Son Of God.

My mistake.

:-)

Tas

 
Nonieth
193347.  Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:36 pm Reply with quote

joek wrote:
Nonieth wrote:
Also, it seems that Apollo's sister, Artemis, took on the persona of the moon from the titaness Selene, whereas initially she was the goddess of the hunt and the wild.

Selene was never a titan. Her father, however, was. It's a bit like saying Zeus was a titan, and btw, whoever said that there should be more love gods, I wasn't saying that I thought there were too many, I said that may have been what the romans thought.

This is what happens when you believe Wikipedia ;)

 
joek
204437.  Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:38 am Reply with quote

Nonieth wrote:
joek wrote:
Nonieth wrote:
Also, it seems that Apollo's sister, Artemis, took on the persona of the moon from the titaness Selene, whereas initially she was the goddess of the hunt and the wild.

Selene was never a titan. Her father, however, was. It's a bit like saying Zeus was a titan, and btw, whoever said that there should be more love gods, I wasn't saying that I thought there were too many, I said that may have been what the romans thought.

This is what happens when you believe Wikipedia ;)

was that aimed at me????

 
Izzardesque
204744.  Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:09 pm Reply with quote

I think Nonieth was saying that they were the one believing Wiki.

 
smiley_face
205054.  Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:32 pm Reply with quote

I have to say, I always thought Helios was the Greek God of the Sun, hence the term "Heliocentric" to describe the model of the universe where the Sun is at the centre.

 
96aelw
205061.  Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:18 pm Reply with quote

That may equally come from the fact that helios is also the Greek word for the sun. If in need of a deity, the Greeks seem to have reasoned, take the word for whatever you need a god of, and make the first letter a capital. Thus Thanatos, god of death, Hypnos, god of sleep, Helios, and various others.

I used to make the Apollo mistake, if mistake it be.

 
aislingviolet
569189.  Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:05 pm Reply with quote

Helios is the Greek God of the son. Apollo is the bringer of light , associated with Helios . Helios is mentioned in the Homeric epic of the Odyssey, as the sun god , when Odysseus lands on his Island . I hope this is right and my Greek and Roman Civilisation course material has not escaped my memory :)

 
nuttyskin
580323.  Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:23 pm Reply with quote

Yes, the Romans used to worship Apollo as the god of the sun (rather than worshipping the sun itself - that's heliolatry, a major source of malignant melanoma; though whether it should be heely-oh-lattry to rhyme with Tony Slattery, or the strictly Classical heely-ollatry, I've never been sure).

However, they did also import the foreign cult of Mithras, another solar deity; as well as Sol Invictus, "the unconquered sun", whose birthday was December 25th and whose cult largely provided the (as it were) press-pack materials for the new boy when the Empire re-formatted to Christianity.

Incidentally, the Romans themselves were even more into making up god-names than the Greeks. Most of the old Roman gods are just the name of whatever it is they do: Saturnus, an adjectival noun, "of the sowing of seed"; Mars = Old Latin Mauors, "the mower" or "the masher" (an agricultural god later militarised); Janus, "the doorway" - there even used to be a freestanding door-and-architrave in the Roman Forum which was actually believed to be the god himself.

 
Jenny
580874.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:32 am Reply with quote

nuttyskin wrote:
Yes, the Romans used to worship Apollo as the god of the sun (rather than worshipping the sun itself - that's heliolatry, a major source of malignant melanoma; though whether it should be heely-oh-lattry to rhyme with Tony Slattery, or the strictly Classical heely-ollatry, I've never been sure).


Interesting post - thanks, and welcome to QI :-)

Heely-ollatry, surely? In line with idolatry.

 
Curious Danny
580927.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:28 pm Reply with quote

My understanding, from a book I have, is that Helios was god of the sun until he let his son Phaeton drive.
He nearly crashed the chariot into the Earth. Zeus killed Phaeton and put Apollo in charge (or Apollon).

 
Flash
581082.  Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:03 pm Reply with quote

nuttyskin wrote:
Mithras ... whose cult largely provided the (as it were) press-pack materials for the new boy when the Empire re-formatted to Christianity.

A controversial assertion, perhaps. Roman Mithraism would appear to post-date Christianity (the earliest known Mithraic artefact is dated to 90AD) - and if that's true then any borrowing of ideas would be more likely to have gone in the opposite direction.

 
Gyndawyr
587710.  Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:28 pm Reply with quote

I thought the egyptian jackal god was the same as the greek sun god... maybe im mistaken :S

 
Gilgamesh
742873.  Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:07 pm Reply with quote

There was also Eos, who was specifically the goddess of the sunrise. First sentence of the Illiad: 'rhodo daktylos eos', translated to English iirc as 'Rosy fingered Dawn.' Prompting the endless schoolboy joke of 'lucky old Dawn.'

 
Ion Zone
742907.  Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:11 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
the foreign cult of Mithras, another solar deity; as well as Sol Invictus, "the unconquered sun", whose birthday was December 25th and whose cult largely provided the (as it were) press-pack materials for the new boy when the Empire re-formatted to Christianity.


I'm afraid I've royally debunked this one, Mithras has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. The cult is also a bit of a mystery, very little is known about them.

Mythras, synopsis.

Mithras and Christianity

 
tchrist
747877.  Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:54 pm Reply with quote

Eishkimojo wrote:
It's a common misconception that Apollo is the Greek god of the sun, but he is in fact the god of light, prophecy, art, song, and poetry.

Odd; I always thought Apollo the god of agriculture and archery, of plague and healing. You didn’t mention any of these.

Sometimes he combined this aspects, as in Book Ⅰ of the Iliad, in which the Archer for nine days assailed the Greeks with plague‐arrows:
    And in the anguish of a father mourn’d.
    Disconsolate, not daring to complain,
    Silent he wander’d by the sounding main;
    Till, safe at distance, to his god he prays,
    The god who darts around the world his rays.

    “O Smintheus! sprung from fair Latona’s line,
    Thou guardian power of Cilla the divine,
    Thou source of light! whom Tenedos adores,
    And whose bright presence gilds thy Chrysa’s shores.

    If e’er with wreaths I hung thy sacred fane,
    Or fed the flames with fat of oxen slain;
    God of the silver bow! thy shafts employ,
    Avenge thy servant, and the Greeks destroy.”

    Thus Chryses pray’d.— the favouring power attends,
    And from Olympus’ lofty tops descends.

    Bent was his bow, the Grecian hearts to wound;
    Fierce as he moved, his silver shafts resound.
    Breathing revenge, a sudden night he spread,
    And gloomy darkness roll’d about his head.
    The fleet in view, he twang’d his deadly bow,
    And hissing fly the feather’d fates below.

    On mules and dogs the infection first began;
    And last, the vengeful arrows fix’d in man.
    For nine long nights, through all the dusky air,
    The pyres, thick-flaming, shot a dismal glare.
Or, if you prefer a more recent rendering:
    And moving off to a safe distance, over and over
    the old priest prayed to the son of sleek‐haired Leto,
    lord Apollo, “Hear me, Apollo! God of the silver bow
    who strides the walls of Chryse and Cilla sacrosanct—
    lord in power of Tenedos—Smintheus, god of the plague!
    If I ever roofed a shrine to please your heart,
    ever burned the long rich bones of bulls and goats
    on your holy altar, now, now bring my prayer to pass.
    Pay the Danaans back—your arrows for my tears!”

    His prayer went up and Phoebus Apollo heard him.
    Down he strode from Olympus' peaks, storming at heart
    with his bow and hooded quiver slung across his shoulders.
    The arrows clanged at his back as the god quaked with rage,
    the god himself on the march and down he came like night.
    Once against the ships he dropped to a knee, let fly a shaft
    and a terrifying clash rang out from the great silver bow.
    First he went for the mules and circling dogs but then,
    launching a piercing shaft at the men themselves,
    he cut them down in droves—
    and the corpse‐fires burned on, night and day, no end in sight.

    Nine days the arrows of god swept through the army.
Corpse‐fires burning day and night, no end in sight: the Iliad’s imagery never grows old—nor comforting. Once you’ve read this, it is hard not to forever think of Apollo as god of the plague.

--tom

 

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