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Crunchy
102051.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:33 am Reply with quote

One QI fact about the Hippo is that the great Oracal FRY, or the one know as Steven wrote a book call The Hippopotamus. Not much about our 4 legged friends though, but very good it was anyway. Maybe he should contribute to the discussion.

The fact is that someone messed up in the laboratory, Hippo's are closer to Pigs than Whales. The BBC should give that guy his money back.

Maybe we should start a campaign to reunite the Pig and the Hippo and give the whale it's dignity back.

 
Hans Mof
102053.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:34 am Reply with quote

Quote:
Steven


Stephen!


tsk

 
Southpaw
102057.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:46 am Reply with quote

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Megalodon of various size have been found, pre-cursors to the Great Whites.


As far as i know, no one has ever found a complete Megaladon skeleton. Indeed, the only parts ever found are the teeth, from which the conformation of the rest of animal is derived, ie this tooth is 4 times bigger than a Great White's, therefore it looked like a Great White but 4 times bigger.

There is some conjecture as to whether Megaladon may still exist in deep waters, trapped below thermoclines of colder water which prevent it from coming nearer the surface. There was one famous report by several Australian fishermen, related by Zane Grey:

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In the year 1918 I recorded the sensation that had been caused among the "outside" crayfish men at Port Stephens, when, for several days, they refused to go to sea to their regular fishing grounds in the vicinity of Broughton Island. The men had been at work on the fishing grounds which lie in deep water when an immense shark of almost unbelievable proportions put in an appearance, lifting pot after pot containing many crayfishes, and taking, as the men said, "pots, mooring lines and all". These crayfish pots, it should be mentioned, were about 3 feet 6 inches [1.06 m] in diameter and frequently contained from two to three dozen good-sized crayfish each weighing several pounds.

The men were all unanimous that this shark was something the like of which they had never dreamed of. In company with the local Fisheries Inspector I questioned many of the men very closely and they all agreed as to the gigantic stature of the beast. But the lengths they gave were, on the whole, absurd. I mention them, however, as an indication of the state of mind which this unusual giant had thrown them into. And bear in mind that these were men who were used to the sea and all sorts of weather, and all sorts of sharks as well. One of the crew said the shark was "three hundred feet [90 m] long at least"! Others said it was as long as the wharf on which we stood about 115 feet [35 m]! They affirmed that the water "boiled" over a large space when the fish swam past. They were all familiar with whales, which they had often seen passing at sea, but this was a vast shark. They had seen its terrible head which was "at least as long as the roof on the wharf shed at Nelson Bay." Impossible, of course!

But these were prosaic and rather stolid men, not given to 'fish stories' nor even to talking about their catches. Further, they knew that the person they were talking to (myself) had heard all the fish stories years before! One of the things that impressed me was that they all agreed as to the ghostly whitish colour of the vast fish. The local Fisheries Inspector of the time, Mr Paton, agreed with me that it must have been something really gigantic to put these experienced men into such a state of fear and panic.


However, one should note that megalodons were probably coastal sharks, and that deep-sea survival is extremely unlikely.

 
Crunchy
102058.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:48 am Reply with quote

Sorry! I am not worthy. May the great man strike me down and hit me over the head with a kipper

)),:

 
Tas
102072.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:35 am Reply with quote

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ie this tooth is 4 times bigger than a Great White's, therefore it looked like a Great White but 4 times bigger.


It is unfortunate that as a mostly cartiliginous body structure there are few bones to be found, but the vertebrae and teeth found do lend themsleves to stupendous sizes, in comparison to the modern GWS.

You may want a quick shuftie at this wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon

:-)

Tas

 
Southpaw
102089.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:35 am Reply with quote

Sir, you insult my intelligence!

I thought our previous round of fisticuffs would've taught you some damned manners, but I see I'm going to have to give you another drubbing.

Have at you, poltroon!

 
Tas
102097.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:38 am Reply with quote

Errr....wot?

:-)

Tas

(is having a Led Zep moment.....'Dazed And Confused')

 
Southpaw
102102.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:41 am Reply with quote

Please...your advice consisted of 'look on Wikipedia'. What a breakthrough eh?!

 
Tas
102108.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:56 am Reply with quote

I thought the fisherman's tale was QI, that's all.

*sulks with his Lemsip and Quilt in the corner*

:-)

Tas

 
Southpaw
102114.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:06 am Reply with quote

And where do you think I got the tale in my post from?

Ker-slap!

 
Pyriform
102117.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:09 am Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:
However, looking at wikipedia, what do I find? The entry for the order Cetacea says:

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Cetaceans evolved from land mammals (most likely from certain hoofed carnivores which also gave rise to the artiodactyls the even-hoofed mammals, including pigs and the hippopotamus)


Sure enough, check out the entry for the order Artiodactyla and you'll see that it consists of "even-toed ungulates" and includes the Family Hippopotamidae (hippos) and the Family Suidae (pigs).

So if pigs are members of the same order as hippos, and whales' evolution diverged before before the rise of the artiodactyls, how on earth can it be said that whales are closer relatives to hippos than pigs?


Obviously the researchers just read the entry for Hippopotamus.

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Until 1985, naturalists grouped hippos with pigs, based on molar patterns. However evidence, first from blood proteins, then from molecular systematics, and more recently from the fossil record, show that their closest living relatives are cetaceans whales, porpoises and the like [1]. Hippopotami have more in common with whales than they do with other artiodactyls (even-toed ungulates), such as pigs. Thus, the common ancestor of hippos and whales existed after the branch-off from ruminants, which occurred after the divergence from the rest of the even-toed ungulates, including pigs. While the whale and hippo are each other's closest living relatives, their lineages split very soon after their divergence from the rest of the even-toed ungulates.

 
Tas
102118.  Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:15 am Reply with quote

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And where do you think I got the tale in my post from?


Oh, yes. Oops! (Wanders off toward the Chicken Soup)

:-)

Tas

 
dr.bob
102313.  Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:48 am Reply with quote

Pyriform wrote:
Obviously the researchers just read the entry for Hippopotamus.


Ah yes, it seems it's true:

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/24_hippo.shtml

Can we still storm the BBC and ask for Dermot O'Leary's head on a spike, though?

 
Crunchy
102409.  Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:53 am Reply with quote

The question is, as of this present day, are Hippos' mitochondrial, nuclear and ribosomal DNA more similar with Pigs than whales? I bet it is!

It walks, talks, sleeps, doesn't sprout water from it's head like a pig. It's in the same family as a pig: see here

Which would mean that the Hippos' - as at the time the question was asked by Dermot - closest relative is THE PIG

Give the poor guy his money back Dermot!

 
Jenny
152171.  Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:10 pm Reply with quote

A vet in a zoo in Mexico has used Pavlov's technique to train a group of Nile hippos to salivate when they walk into an enclosure. Hippos drool very fast, so it is easy to collect cupfuls. A Queensland zoologist who lectures in reproductive biology is hoping use these samples as a non-invasive way of investigating the hippos' reproductive cycles. Hippos are one of the most dangerous African animals, and until now it has not always been easy to get close enough to collect samples for analysis.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10426279

 

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