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664603.  Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:07 am Reply with quote

Perish the thought...

664659.  Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:55 am Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:

Firstly the USAF are in the UK by invitation and part of the NATO mutual-defence treaties

I'll ignore that for now.

Why? NATO is established under a mutual-defense treaty which pledges each member to deploy and share operational facilities in eachothers' territory. You seem to have overlooked the UK facilities in america as well.

The ones I know of from personal experience (in alphabetical order):


Is one of the six, yes



Closed some years ago and is now an induistrial estate


Brize Norton

Is an RAF station operated by and for the RAF - it is their main l;ogistics hub for air transport. US aircraft use it occaisionally, just as RAF aircraft flying into the USA will use USAF/USN/USMC airfields in preference top civillian ones. No US aircraft or facilities are based there.


Was mostly sold off, and now while it provides housing for US personnel from alconbury and molesworth it can hardly be described as a "US base".



Is a British Army signals intelligence facility. Some US intel units were hosted there in the 50s and 60s, but the last US presence withdrew from the site nearly 15 years ago.


Daws Hill

Was a NATO Communications Intelligence facility that essentially closed in 2007, although the administrative details remain to be completed.



Was a standby airfield that was brough up to temporary operational status to support B52 operations in the Gulf Wars. It is now in the process of being returned to care-and-maintenance with the last of the US staff being withdrawn by the end of this year.


Greenham Common

Closed in 1993 and is now an industrial estate



Is another of the six



Is now "Kent International Airport", although I believe the MoD kept part of the land to continue hosting its fire-fighting school.



Is no longer an airfield (it has had no runways or hangars for over 30 years) and houses administrative functions for Alconbury and Upwood (these three bases comprise a single unit).



Is another of the six



Is an RAF airfield operated by and for the RAF - it's the home of the Red Arrows and a few non-flying organisations (met people, for example). I don't think the USAF have *ever* used scampton even during WW2.


Upper Heyford

Closed as an airfield in 1994 and the american users withdrew from it at that time. It is now largely derelict, but is leased as storage space for new cars.



Is and has always been an RAF base, owned and operated by and for the RAF - no US units have ever been based there. It currently hosts things like the RAF Air Warfare Centre, and facilities like that don;t share homes with foreign powers - even friendly ones.



Is a NATO (not US) munitions storage facility.



Was evacuated by the USAF in 1970 and is now mainly used as a training venue by the RAF, RAF police and fire4-righting units.


That's just the ones I know of from direct personal experience (I don't have the time or inclination to mount a tour of all of them).

And as shown above your direct personal experience is seriously out of date.



Of these two are just comminications/sigint facilities

And your point is?

These are NATO facilities operated for mutual benefit. They are not US facilities operated by and for the USA.


FWIW the RAF doesn't actually have "100+ bases" of any kind within the UK...

This may be correct -if we're excluding those "RAF" bases under US occupation.

No, it's just correct. The "US Occupation" is an artifact of the fact that your tinfoil hat is overdue for servicing.

2/10 - stay after school.


664705.  Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:35 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
FWIW the RAF doesn't actually have "100+ bases" of any kind within the UK...

This may be correct -if we're excluding those "RAF" bases under US occupation.

Just looked it up. The RAF currently have 82 "bases" (including office buildings and storage sites) in the UK plus seven overseas bases:

RAF Henlow
RAF Stanbridge
RAF Welford
RAF Woodley
RAF Halton
RAF High Wycombe
RAF Brampton
RAF Wittering
RAF Wyton
RAF St. Mawgan
RRH Portreath
RAF Spadeadam
Royal Marines Base Chivenor
RAF Fairford
Defence CBRN Centre, Winterbourne Gunner
RAF Oakhanger
RAF Odiham
RAF Barkway
Northwood Headquarters
RAF Barkston Heath
RAF Cranwell
DCAE Cosford
RAF Digby
RAF Coningsby
RAF Donna Nook
RAF Holbeach
RAF Scampton
RAF Waddington
RAF Wainfleet
RAF Northolt
RAF Uxbridge
RAF West Drayton
RAF Woodvale
RAF Feltwell
RAF Marham
RAF Neatishead
RAF Trimingham
RAF Croughton
RAF Boulmer
RAF Syerston
RAF Barford St John
RAF Benson
RAF Brize Norton
RAF Weston-on-the-Green
RAF Cottesmore
RAF Cosford
RAF Shawbury
RAF Ternhill
MoD Stafford
RAF Honington
RAF Lakenheath
RAF Mildenhall
Wattisham Airfield
DMRC Headley Court
MoD Boscombe Down
RAF Lyneham
RAF Holmpton
RAF Leconfield
RAF Church Fenton
RAF Dishforth
RAF Fylingdales
RAF Leeming
RAF Menwith Hill
RAF Staxton Wold
RAF Topcliffe
RAF Linton-on-Ouse
RRH Benbecula
RAF Buchan
RAF Kinloss
RAF Leuchars
RAF Lossiemouth
RAF Prestwick
RAF Tain
RAF Pembrey Sands
RAF Sealand
RAF Mona
RAF Valley
MoD St Athan
JHC (Joint Helicopter Command) Aldergrove
MoD West Freugh

RAF Ascension Island
RAF Akrotiri
RAF Troodos
RAF Mount Pleasant
RAF Nordhorn
RAF Gibraltar
RAF Al Udeid

So even if they wanted to the RAF could not pr9ovide "100+" for the USAF.

This information is all publicly available on the web. I suggest you check the facts before posting rubbish to the internet - I always do...



666200.  Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:19 pm Reply with quote

Returning to SMOM:

Apart from being a QI curiosity the organisation does a great deal of charitable work around the globe. It also trains people in first aid like other organisations like the Red Cross and St John's Ambulance service.

693594.  Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:49 pm Reply with quote

I came across some SMOM stamps recently featuring coats of arms. Apparently many stamp dealers do not handle SMOM issues. This is because the stamps issued by the Order are not recognised by the UPU, and are only valid on mail to countries which recognise SMOM and have signed postal agreements with the Order.

Malteser International is its worldwide relief corps.

693607.  Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:51 pm Reply with quote

High end stamp dealers are not interested in them, no. That's because high end collectors - those for whom philately is an investment as much as a hobby, and those who enter competitions - don't want them. (Stamps whose existence cannot be justified by real postal use under UPU jurisdiction are frowned upon by this kind of collector.)

On the other hand, the sort of collector who wants a stamp from everywhere that puts out stamps, especially if the stamps have pretty pictures on, does want them. And since they're not valued by the high end collectors they are cheap, so everyone is happy.

Those stamps are denominated in euros. But the official currency of the SMOM continues to be the Maltese scudo, even though Malta itself ceased to use the scudo in 1825.

693620.  Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:27 pm Reply with quote

Collectors term stamps like SMOM as "cinderella" stamps.

694529.  Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:10 pm Reply with quote

The island of St Croix now part of the US Virgin Islands was once ruled by SMOM.

"The island was owned by the Knights of Malta after being bequeathed by Phillippe de Longvilliers de Poincy, governor of the French colony of St. Kitts in 1660. However, they sold it to the French West India Company five years later. Under Governor Dubois, the colony became profitable with over 90 plantations established, growing such crops as tobacco, cotton, sugar cane, and indigo. After Dubois's death, the colony declined and Europeans abandoned the island until 1733 when it was sold to the Danish West India and Guinea Company."

974597.  Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:01 am Reply with quote

June 24th is National Day for SMOM celebrated at its many embassies.

977418.  Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:43 pm Reply with quote

SMOM announced that Prince Augusto Ruffo di Calabria would be its next Ambassador to Kenya, where its Worldwide relief organisation Malteser International does a lot of work with the underprivileged.

977420.  Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:53 pm Reply with quote

SMOM is a very influential entity in the World and on its 900th anniversary was recently received by Pope Benedict at Saint Peter's Basilica.

1034687.  Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:22 pm Reply with quote

Malteser International ready for action in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan.

1046142.  Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:25 am Reply with quote

This website of SMOM stamps illustrates that stamps bear a different currency to SMOM's official currency. Does that happen to any other stamp issuing organisation?

1046144.  Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:37 am Reply with quote

First things first:


The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta (Italian: Sovrano Militare Ordine Ospedaliero di San Giovanni di Gerusalemme di Rodi e di Malta), also known as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), Order of Malta or Knights of Malta, is a Roman Catholic lay religious order of, traditionally, a military, chivalrous and noble nature. It is the world's oldest surviving order of chivalry. The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome, and is widely considered a sovereign subject of international law.

SMOM is the modern continuation of the original medieval order of Saint John of Jerusalem, known as the "Fraternitas Hospitalaria" and later as the Knights Hospitaller, a group founded in Jerusalem about 1050 as an Amalfitan hospital to provide care for poor and sick pilgrims to the Holy Land. After the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 during the First Crusade, it became a military order under its own charter. Following the loss of Christian held territories of the Holy Land to Muslims, the Order operated from Rhodes (1310–1523), and later from Malta (1530–1798), over which it was sovereign.

Although this state came to an end with the ejection of the Order from Malta by Napoleon Bonaparte, the Order as such survived. It retains its claims of sovereignty under international law and has been granted permanent observer status at the United Nations. The order is notable for issuing its own international passports for travel, postal stamps, along with its formal insignia, often portrayed as a white or gold Maltese cross. The order nominally invokes the Blessed Virgin Mary under the venerated Marian title of "Our Lady of Mount Philermos" as its patroness and spiritual intercessor.

Today the order has about 13,000 members; 80,000 permanent volunteers; and 20,000 medical personnel including doctors, nurses, auxiliaries and paramedics in more than 120 countries. The goal is to assist the elderly, handicapped, refugeed, children, homeless, those with terminal illness and leprosy in all parts of the world, without distinction of race or religion. In several countries—including France, Germany and Ireland—the local associations of the Order are important providers of first aid training, first aid services and emergency medical services. Through its worldwide relief corps—Malteser International—the Order is also engaged to aid victims of natural disasters, epidemics and armed conflicts.

1126919.  Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:46 pm Reply with quote

A very significant event for SMOM is the first time a Grand Master has been proposed for sainthood.


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