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PDR
1384040.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:42 am Reply with quote

crissdee wrote:
On a lighter note, I see that both the Daily Mirror and the Sun have gone with "Matt Finished" as a headline.


It certainly took the gloss off his time in office

PDR

 
barbados
1384042.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:01 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
barbados wrote:
PDR wrote:
barbados wrote:
I refer you back to post 1383989
Particularly the
Quote:
At least we’ve discovered who “those” are now
bit


All you are demonstrating is just how far above your head the whole discussion is.

PDR

The case of beer comment couldn’t be more of a hyperbole if it been made on national hyperbole day.


The claim is that the project was a simple one. That in untrue. Expressing an untruth in hyperbolic terms doesn't make it true, therefore there is no "it was a hyperbole" excuse.

The claim was that it "could have been done by a spotty computer geek for a crate of beers."
There was no reference to the complexity, only the cost
PDR wrote:

Quote:

Face it you were trying to start an argument, and Alexander Howard isn’t playing your game.

PDR wrote:

I'm not trying to start anything. I was just responding to a particularly asinine claim from a serial provider of asinine claims partly to see if he could provide any substance. It's like when you are asked for sources for your claims - no one really expects any meaningful response and the lack of one provides the expected answer.

PDR

Your comment
Quote:
Or is this just you jerking off again?
would suggest differently

 
Leith
1384047.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:09 pm Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
If you Contract an organisation to do a piece of work that organisation works to its own procedures and equipment under its own governance and its own accreditations. The organisation that does this has significant overhead costs in maintaining the equipment/processes/accreditations/governance etc.

If you SUBcontract then you are hiring a person to do a task using YOUR procedures and equipment under YOUR governance and YOUR accreditations.

Curious - the terminology has always been the other way round where I've worked (civil transport and space industry), at least as far as colloquial use in the office is concerned. "Subcontractors" are external companies working off-site to their own processes, while "contractors" are self-employed or agency staff who come to work on-site with our teams on temporary contracts.

 
barbados
1384048.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:15 pm Reply with quote

Leith wrote:

Curious - the terminology has always been the other way round where I've worked (civil transport and space industry), at least as far as colloquial use in the office is concerned. "Subcontractors" are external companies working off-site to their own processes, while "contractors" are self-employed or agency staff who come to work on-site with our teams on temporary contracts.

That would also be the case in the NHS

 
suze
1384049.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:18 pm Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
Just seen a tweet asking if anyone is prepared to have an affair with Gavin Williamsom so we get rid of him, too.
suze?
😉


I think I'll pass on that.

Now it were Bill Clinton, or if it were The Graduand (as he should now be called) ...

 
PDR
1384051.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:23 pm Reply with quote

There can be confusion because subcontractors (agency/self-employed staff) are often colloquially referred to as both "contractors" and "subbies", but that's just colloquial usage. I employ an electrical contractor to rewire a workshop because my company in not accredited to sign off the installation. I engage a subcontract engineer to cover for the absence of one of my team who is on maternity leave. I assess the skills, competence and qualifications of the individual, the subbie works to my procedures, and my lead engineer supervises and signs for the work.

PDR

 
PDR
1384052.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:25 pm Reply with quote

barbados wrote:

The claim was that it "could have been done by a spotty computer geek for a crate of beers."
There was no reference to the complexity, only the cost


Again, you are just advertising how far above your head the discussion is.

PDR

 
barbados
1384055.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:46 pm Reply with quote

In what way is the claim by AH relating to the complexity of the project?

 
barbados
1384058.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:49 pm Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
There can be confusion because subcontractors (agency/self-employed staff) are often colloquially referred to as both "contractors" and "subbies", but that's just colloquial usage. I employ an electrical contractor to rewire a workshop because my company in not accredited to sign off the installation. I engage a subcontract engineer to cover for the absence of one of my team who is on maternity leave. I assess the skills, competence and qualifications of the individual, the subbie works to my procedures, and my lead engineer supervises and signs for the work.

PDR

That may well be how it happens in your particular office.
However, in the real world, if you are employing someone to perform an action they are a contractor - if they then employ someone to perform a part of the contract, they are a sub contractor.
If you employ someone to cover for absence in your office, they are a temp.

 
tetsabb
1384061.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:04 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
I think I'll pass on that.


Would I have had the Look Over The Specs for that?

 
PDR
1384064.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:32 pm Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
If you employ someone to cover for absence in your office, they are a temp.


"Temp" is a term that has no legal meaning in this context, but it generally refers to someone who is employed for a fixed term rather than a permanent or open-ended one. As such they are usually either a subcontractor (if employed through an agency or self-employed) or an employee (if employed directly by the company).

As I said previously, the principle determinant between a contractor and a subcontractor is that a contractor operates to their own procedures while a subcontractor operates to the employers procedures.

PDR

 
bobwilson
1384065.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:33 pm Reply with quote

Since misconduct in public office is a serious offence, and clearly flouting the COVID rules when you are the health secretary is misconduct in public office - I do hope the reported investigation into the source of the leak of the video will identify those individuals who were aware of the misconduct but did NOT (as is their duty, surely?) report it.

 
suze
1384071.  Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:25 pm Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
Would I have had the Look Over The Specs for that?


When I'm perusing these forums at home, I magnify the screen sufficiently that I don't need my glasses.

That is the only thing that saved you!

 
tetsabb
1384119.  Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 pm Reply with quote

Phew!

 
Prof Wind Up Merchant
1384932.  Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:42 pm Reply with quote

He is gone now unless he comes back as the Affairs Secretary.

 

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