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Celebaelin
1386411.  Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:25 pm Reply with quote

British & Irish Lions 9 South Africa 27

Almost a complete mirror image of the first test this one, in the second half mainly, was plagued by decisions which, on the basis of the video evidence, the Lions were unjustifiably on the wrong side of.

Since the highlights will not appear on terrestrial television until tomorrow not till that point will I have the opportunity to review and potentially reform this point of view but for the time being I'll say that I'm unconvinced by many of the refereeing decisions made in either of the tests played so far. At least the outcome is that the series is level with everything still to play
for.

I look forward to the third test next week with no small amount of excitement and a certain degree of anxiety regarding the standard of decision making by the officials.

 
Brock
1386413.  Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:44 pm Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:

I look forward to the third test next week


Why did you feel it necessary to white out the word "week"? Is the timing of the next match supposed to be a surprise?

(Sorry if I've spoilt it for anyone!)

 
Celebaelin
1386415.  Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:32 pm Reply with quote

Isn't it obvious?

Week is a four letter word.

 
Brock
1386417.  Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:42 pm Reply with quote

No, it's even less obvious than before. I know that "week" is a four-letter word, and I have absolutely no idea why you needed to white it out, or indeed the fact that it's a four-letter word. It makes no sense whatsoever, unless it's just a joke that I'm too tired to appreciate.

Never mind, I'll just leave you to it.

 
Celebaelin
1386428.  Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:46 pm Reply with quote

Yes, you get some rest - you clearly need it. I can understand people becoming exhausted by pointless, humourless nit-picking but until now I didn't realise that the activity was of itself tiring; you must regularly find yourself extremely tired.


Last edited by Celebaelin on Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:18 pm; edited 2 times in total

 
Brock
1386442.  Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:17 am Reply with quote

There's no need to be rude. I simply asked you a question.

I've had some sleep now and re-read your post, and I still don't understand it. If it was meant to be a joke, I don't find it funny. Sorry.

Wish I'd never asked now.

 
Celebaelin
1386464.  Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:41 am Reply with quote

Trust me so do I.

I responded to your question in a good-natured manner and you simply re-iterated your criticism with all the wit and charm of a dyspeptic rhinoceros; despite your claims of nonchalance you continue to hold on to this piffling point as yet another example of how my contributions to this board are beneath the magisterial high standards you demand of those whose posts you choose to read (although I've only ever noticed your criticisms being directed at me) - that being the case I suggest that either you stop reading my offerings or you restrain yourself from setting out your needless criticism if you can possibly forbear given the egregious nature of my use of English. Was the meaning clear? To those literate in English I would imagine so, yes. Did I assume that your initial complaint was nothing more than a simple tease? Naturally; but with the subsequent humourless response it became apparent that you don't regard this as a trivial matter and that your objection to my whiting out of the word 'week' is strongly felt on your part for reasons that only you and a dedicated and talented team of psychiatrists working together on your neurosis for a number of years could ever determine*.

If you can't be bothered to be civil in your interactions with me I see no reason why I should waste time being anything less than forthright in my responses - not rude per se, simply forthright.

* that was a bit insulting - but amusingly so I hope.

 
Brock
1386467.  Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:04 am Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:
Trust me so do I.

I responded to your question in a good-natured manner and you simply re-iterated your criticism with all the wit and charm of a dyspeptic rhinoceros; despite your claims of nonchalance you continue to hold on to this piffling point as yet another example of how my contributions to this board are beneath the magisterial high standards you demand of those whose posts you choose to read (although I've only ever noticed your criticisms being directed at me) - that being the case I suggest that either you stop reading my offerings or you restrain yourself from setting out your needless criticism if you can possibly forbear given the egregious nature of my use of English. Was the meaning clear? To those literate in English I would imagine so, yes. Did I assume that your initial complaint was nothing more than a simple tease? Naturally; but with the subsequent humourless response it became apparent that you don't regard this as a trivial matter and that your objection to my whiting out of the word 'week' is strongly felt on your part for reasons that only you and a dedicated and talented team of psychiatrists working together on your neurosis for a number of years could ever determine*.

If you can't be bothered to be civil in your interactions with me I see no reason why I should waste time being anything less than forthright in my responses - not rude per se, simply forthright.

* that was a bit insulting - but amusingly so I hope.


Please withdraw the above post. All of it.

If you think I'm amused by being insulted, then I'm afraid to have to disappoint you. I most certainly am not.

I seem to remember a previous discussion in which you talked about the fact that you have been randomly physically assaulted by a number of complete strangers. If this is the way you speak to them, I can see why.

 
Brock
1386468.  Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:15 am Reply with quote

Oh, I must comment on this bit:

Celebaelin wrote:
I've only ever noticed your criticisms being directed at me


Blimey, you think I single you out specially for criticism? Don't flatter yourself.

I've got into a number of scrapes with various people on this forum, as I'm sure others will testify. Most of them aren't as thin-skinned as you, it seems.

I am genuinely sorry for any offence caused, and I will drop the subject forthwith.

 
Celebaelin
1386481.  Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:49 pm Reply with quote

Aaaaaaaaanyway I'll assume that anyone with an interest in the rugby knows the result of the second test by now. The highlights weren't particularly enlightening; as they were they merely confirmed my initial views - which were entirely in accord with Nigel Owens' so I am at least in good company. The overall state of the series is probably about right but the means by which we've arrived at a third test decider have been far from ideal.

Whether the South Africans will have something to celebrate during their continued lockdown remains to be seen but little of what I have witnessed so far leads me to be optimistic as regards the Lions' chances of winning the series.

 
Celebaelin
1386880.  Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:45 pm Reply with quote

Third Test 5pm tomorrow

Lions

15. Liam Williams (Scarlets, Wales) #833
14. Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby, Wales) #836
13. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
12. Bundee Aki (Connacht Rugby, Ireland) #837
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843
1. Wyn Jones (Scarlets, Wales) #842
2. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

Replacements:

16. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
18. *Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814 – subject to outcome of disciplinary hearing.
19. Adam Beard (Ospreys, Wales) #852
20. Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs, England) #849
21. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
22. Finn Russell (Racing 92, Scotland) #835
23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822

Springboks

15. Willie le Roux
14. Cheslin Kolbe
13. Lukhanyo Am
12. Damian de Allende
11. Makazole Mapimpi
10. Handré Pollard
9. Cobus Reinach
1. Steven Kitshoff
2. Bongi Mbonambi
3. Frans Malherbe
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. Lood de Jager
6. Siya Kolisi (captain)
7. Franco Mostert
8. Jasper Wiese

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx
17. Trevor Nyakane
18. Vincent Koch
19. Marco van Staden
20. Kwagga Smith
21. Herschel Jantjies
22. Morné Steyn
23. Damian Willemse.

 
Celebaelin
1386977.  Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:28 am Reply with quote

South Africa 19 British & Irish Lions 16

A better performance from the Lions but disappointingly too prone to handling errors to secure the test and the series. While the broader expectation did not favour a Lions win it was still disheartening and one or two eyebrows were raised over refereeing decisions from time to time - right at the end of the first half the lack of a penalty award against the Boks for a reckless contact coming into the ruck was a talking point where I watched the game and it did seem a little incongruous but by no means was it clear that it was a scoring opportunity had the penalty been awarded. The end of the second half was also controversial but ultimately we're better served by moving on from this less than impressive test series with only the sadness that it wasn't on the whole a more entertaining spectacle.

 
tetsabb
1386985.  Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:41 am Reply with quote

I have just seen a pic and a story about the SA water carrier being in the one-goal area shouting instructions to his team as a Lions attack got close to the line.
If so, it's not really cricket, is it?

 
suze
1386993.  Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:14 am Reply with quote

Is the British and Irish Lions a concept whose time has passed?

Back in the day, the four individual nations rarely visited the Southern Hemisphere, and there was no World Cup. The sport was amateur, and selection for a Lions tour was a sort of lifetime achievement award.

All these things have changed by now. Are the Lions actually any more relevant to the world of professional rugby than the Harlem Globetrotters are to the world of professional basketball?

 
Celebaelin
1387011.  Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:35 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Is the British and Irish Lions a concept whose time has passed?

I don't think it is, no. The contributing nations are all proud of their national identities and tradition but all acknowledge that a Lions Jersey is an accolade over and above selection for their own national team.

If anything the playing of more Lions matches would be something to be desired in order for them to develop the same sort of familiarity with each other as teammates that is enjoyed by the national sides they play against. There is an argument that players of that quality do not need that in order to function together as a team but the Lions do not sweep all before them as an unassailable force and they never have; some of us would like to see that happen every so often!

 

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