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Janet H
1358098.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:38 am Reply with quote

Shit! no swear word thread?

1358100.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:49 am Reply with quote

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

Alfred E Neuman
1358101.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:51 am Reply with quote

Iíve a question.

Whatís the difference between swearing, cursing and just using coarse language?

Janet H
1358102.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:52 am Reply with quote

I shall fetchez la Vache!

I'm reminded of the TV series Porrige, who needed to depict life in prison, but with alternate swearwords.

Naff orf, you despicable nerk, being one of their finest.

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1358105.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 am Reply with quote

Nowadays, in most languages swearing is about using a "dirty" word, but in the past people would have used phrases, sometimes shortened to single words to represent the phrase, which were meant to insult someone in a specific way.

For example, Romans didn't seem to mind men having sex with anyone of any gender, as long as they weren't the passive partner. Therefore to insult a Roman man would be to accuse him of practising cunnilingus, as that would suggest he was passive to a woman.

Then there was Gaius Valerius Catullus, a poet who offended so many with his writings, it was only a few years ago that some of his work was finally translated into English, as it was deemed too obscene.

One of his most most colourful writings was in reply to criticism of his erotic style:

Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo,
Aureli pathice et cinaede Furi,
qui me ex versiculis meis putastis,
quod sunt molliculi, parum pudicum.
Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
ipsum, versiculos nihil necesse est;
qui tum denique habent salem ac leporem,
si sint molliculi ac parum pudici
et quod pruriat incitare possunt,
non dico pueris, sed his pilosis
qui duros nequeunt movere lumbos.
Vos, quod milia multa basiorum
legistis male me marem putatis?
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.

To use a more modern English translation, and excuse the language:

Fuck you, boys, up the butt and in the mouth,
you queer Aurelius and you fag Furius.
you who think, because my poems
are sensitive, that I have no shame.
For it's proper for a devoted poet to be moral
himself, but in no way is it necessary for his poems.
In point of fact, these have wit and charm,
if they are sensitive and a little shameless,
and can arouse an itch,
and I don't mean in boys, but in those hairy old men
who can't get it up.
Because you've read my countless kisses,
you think less of me as a man?
Fuck you, boys, up the butt and in the mouth.

1358107.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:30 am Reply with quote

In English cursing seems to have been left behind as using swear words becomes more "fashionable", but in other languages cursing is still very much the preferred way of insulting, but even then these are sometimes shortened to a couple of words to represent what the curse is.

There's an old discussion on Qi on these, with a much younger version of me...

1358117.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:48 am Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
In English cursing seems to have been left behind as using swear words becomes more "fashionable".

You say that, but I heard a non-sweary curse as recently as today.

The young women with whom I spend my working life are not, for the most part, shy about using the f word. Yet even so, this morning I heard one girl say to another "Yea, well he can go to Hell". Who he is and what he has done I know not, but from that age group - and OK, from me as well - it would more often be "He can fuck off".

Janet H
1358125.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:48 pm Reply with quote

Yes, in USA that would be quite rude, here, less so.

Many years ago I was waiting at a car rental counter at Detroit airport and one of the staff accidentally cut a telephone call and said, 'Goddamit I lost his call'. She was mortified she'd said it out loud. I calmed her down and said it really wasn't offensive to me and no way would I report her to the company.

Comparison of the 'strength' of swearwords across cultures?

1358129.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:04 pm Reply with quote

It always makes me laugh, how the USA can be so straight-laced in some ways and yet produce such industrial amounts of porn on the other.......

1358137.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:06 pm Reply with quote

I was reminded the other day of Roger Lloyd-Pack's character in the Vicar of Dibley being admonished for saying "bugger"
"Bugger ain't bloody swearing ", he ejaculated.

1358144.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:32 pm Reply with quote

Mention of the Puritans in the US, we can attribute at least one commonly used word due to their sensitivity.

As people started to commonly refer to the penis as a Cock, they decided they couldn't bring themselves to call their male chickens Cocks, so they simply started calling them Roosters as they lived in Roosts (from an old Germanic word for roof, later used as the wooden homes chickens were placed in).

1358149.  Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:32 pm Reply with quote

Bugger really isn't a swear word over here. You might call a child a little bugger, because he or she is bugging you....


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