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humannature
1349023.  Sun May 24, 2020 3:55 pm Reply with quote

Haha- seems that piqued your curiosity! Fungi are weird, but all it means is that an individual of one sex can mate with all 20,000-odd others but not with individuals of the same sex. It's a good life being a fungus! I've come across species with at least 23K, but I'm sure there are more about. As for how science counts these... well, that's a little too complicated for a forum like this.

 
suze
1349031.  Sun May 24, 2020 4:57 pm Reply with quote

It appears to be a fungus called Schizophyllum commune which is available in 23,328 sexes. As suggested, one specimen can reproduce with specimens of all 23,327 other sexes, but not with its own sex. Whether a given fungus "knows" whether a given other fungus is the same sex as itself seems not to have been explored.

This article (one of those annoying ones that you can only read once and then it wants money), and this Reddit discussion provide further explanation, but I cannot say that I really understood it.

 
Jenny
1349129.  Mon May 25, 2020 3:19 pm Reply with quote

Humannature - we do actually like sources for information - can't do the research without them!

 
humannature
1349146.  Mon May 25, 2020 11:57 pm Reply with quote

Apologies, Jenny. As Suze correctly, states the fungus I was referring to is S. commune, with 23,328 sexes. The literature supporting is as follows:
Original study- https://www.genetics.org/content/genetics/43/3/530.full.pdf
Explanation- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8672296/
And a recent Nature article on the mechanism- https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.1643#

The bottom line is, the fungi sexes (called 'mating types') operate a little differently to those in humans. Hence such a large number of them. Also, with regards to if they can "know" another's sex, the answer is that yes they can...

https://www.genetics.org/content/158/4/1491.full

 
Jenny
1349223.  Tue May 26, 2020 3:33 pm Reply with quote

I like that a lot.

 
Bug
1350703.  Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:21 pm Reply with quote

A-Sexual reproduction in the animal kingdom is always an interesting area too; A zebra shark called Leonie in a Queensland aquarium (Dockrill, 2017), an Atlantic blacktip shark named Tidbit at the Virginia Beach aquarium (Dunham, 2008) and a hammerhead shark from a Nebraska aquarium (Fountain, 2007) have all been found to have successfully reproduced without a male shark involved. This is further tested by DNA testing the offspring to find that the progeny contains no genetic material from a father.

Dockrill, P., 2017. Zebra Shark Makes World-First Switch From Sexual To Asexual Reproduction. [online] ScienceAlert. Available at: <https://www.sciencealert.com/zebra-shark-makes-world-first-switch-from-sexual-to-asexual-reproduction> [Accessed 6 June 2020].

Dunham, W., 2008. Virgin Shark Got Pregnant In Virginia Aquarium. [online] U.S. Available at: <https://www.reuters.com/article/us-shark-virgin/virgin-shark-got-pregnant-in-virginia-aquarium-idUSTRE4990VA20081010> [Accessed 6 June 2020].

Fountain, H., 2007. Female Shark Reproduced Without Male DNA, Scientists Say. [online] Nytimes.com. Available at: <https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/23/science/23shark.html> [Accessed 6 June 2020].

Stony Brook University. (2008, October 11). 'Virgin Birth' By Shark Confirmed: Second Case Ever. ScienceDaily. Retrieved June 5, 2020 from www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081010173054.htm

Szkotak, S., 2008. In Shark Tank, An Asexual Birth. [online] Archive.boston.com. Available at: <http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/10/10/in_shark_tank_an_asexual_birth/> [Accessed 6 June 2020].

 
Jenny
1350758.  Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:59 pm Reply with quote

Men! What are they good for? (Putting up shelves is a good answer to that one).

 
Celebaelin
1350776.  Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:43 pm Reply with quote

Fair point; I don't know why we bother being good either - women clearly prefer all that's worse and/or worst; maybe the babes feel better that way.

btw if all the mirrors in the place are 'correctly positioned' I don't get to see anything of myself above lower chest height - if that.

 
Jenny
1350802.  Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:43 am Reply with quote

Celebaelin wrote:
Fair point; I don't know why we bother being good either - women clearly prefer all that's worse and/or worst; maybe the babes feel better that way.


You've clearly met the wrong women! I don't know one woman among my personal acquaintanceship who goes for 'bad boys'.

 
Ian Dunn
1356691.  Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:45 pm Reply with quote

Last year, the British Museum put on exhibition of Japanese manga comics. One of the first things who came across when enterting the exhibition was this image from the front cover of a manga called Miyuki-chan in Wonderland by the all-women CLAMP group of manga artists (photo taken by myself).



It is particularly interesting they went this image, because I'm not sure how many people knew that when they looked at it, they were looking at the title character from a lesbian sex comedy. The story sees the title character finding herself sent into other worlds, including Wonderland (complete with a dominatrix-like Queen of Hearts) where she is the unwilling target of every woman around. The series also features foxy boxing, strip mahjong and women dressed as erotic chess pieces (to be fair, some people are into pawn).

The series was released in English and is available as an e-book for those who might be interested, although I should say that while CLAMP are one of the most popular manga artists around, Miyuki-chan in Wonderland is considered by many to be the group's weakest work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyuki-chan_in_Wonderland

 
CB27
1360896.  Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:23 am Reply with quote

An interesting view of whether homosexuality is forbidden according to the Bible or not:

https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27

As someone who grew up learning about the Old Testament in Hebrew, there are a number of things that stand out about the general acceptance of certain passages, but in this particular case it's the case of Leviticus 18 which are very strange.

The section actually starts off with telling the Israelites "not to do as they do in Egypt... or in Canaan". Most of the section seems to deal with incest, and specifically sex with different women, and there are a couple of sections that seem to be "inserted" at a later edit which are the ones dealing with homosexuality, but even then they are very strange.

While every other line is extremely specific with the words used, in the two lines used to refer to homosexuality, the lines use the word for man (ISH), and then another word ZACHAR, which is typically used to mean male, and then completes using the word for woman (ISHA), not the word for female.

The reason why this is strange is because the original meaning of ZACHAR in itself is in question, and was sometimes used to distinguish between little boys (toddlers), and men (after the age of 13), and was in itself confusing. This makes more sense when you realise at the start the passage specifically tells them not to do as other people, and at the end of the passage it explains that the lands were defiled because people had previously done these things.

There have been some papers written by some scholars to suggest this was inserted at a time when Greek influence was spreading across the Levant (including the Ptolemies in Egypt), and while homosexuality seems not to have been regarded as wrong, sex with children was, and it's something that Ancient Greeks may have brought with them.

I don't suppose we'll ever really know, but as an interesting aside, some old testaments, when first published in other European languages other than Latin, Greek and Hebrew, seem to have translated ZACHAR to other words than simply mankind or man. The Lutheran German Bible, for example, uses the word KNABEN, which actually means boys.

 
CB27
1370054.  Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:55 am Reply with quote

Probably too late for S series, but maybe could be shoehorned into T for telephones...

Q Which recent US President incidentally created a sex industry worth hundreds of millions of Dollars?

Klaxons for Trump, Clinton, JFK, Obama, or even Putin (some wiseass might try it).

The answer is Jimmy Carter.

In 1977 Carter decided to hold an "Ask President Carter" session with Walter Cronkite, and it became the first known use of a 1-900 number that people could dial and ask a question. At the time these calls were free to call.

Soon other services sprang up, though people were charge long distance rates to cover the cost of the service.

Again Carter was involved in the next step, when in 1980 several broadcasters wanted to allow voters to phone in during debates between Carter and Reagan, and register who they thought won the debate. AT&T realised they could make money from this service and charged calls at a premium rate of 50c.

This was later spoofed on Saturday Night Live when Eddie Murphy held up a lobster and urged people to ring either of two 1-900 numbers to decided if the lobster lived or died. The resulting deluge of nearly 500k calls in the space of minutes created such a spike it nearly crashed the telephone system, and caused phone companies to issues agreements that they must be notified before such events.

In 1983 we have the first recognised "sex line", which was Gloria Leonard huskily reading from her adult magazine in order to promote it, but phone companies were still rarely sharing any profits from their premium numbers.

It was only in 1985 that the fixed premium rate of 50c was lifted and phone companies started sharing their profits with the businesses operating them, and the telephone sex industry boomed.

 
Jenny
1370157.  Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:39 am Reply with quote

I like that and I think you should reintroduce it later in 2021 when the T series talk forum goes up.

 
bobwilson
1370194.  Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:16 pm Reply with quote

And I came here thinking this was the long awaited confessional zone

 
CB27
1370257.  Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:20 pm Reply with quote

Well, if we are talking about a confessional zone, did Qi ever mention the story of Ragout the gerbil?

:o

 

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