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PDR
1389581.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:38 am Reply with quote

Did you run the procurement process for equipment? Or the Information Assurance Accreditation? Or manage the software license procurement? Did you determine the lock-down configuration for the platforms, or to the compatibility testing for new software & hardware on the network? Was maintaining and updating hardware & software firewalling (including threat evaluation) part of your duties? And of course assuring & maintaining compliance with the plethora of regulations surround IT in the public sector and IT in medical (safety-critical) applications - was that yours as well? I'm guessing you were the sysadmin with responsibility for creating, managing, configuring and deleting accounts - did this extend to activity monitoring to ensure the access-control strategy and lockdown configuration were operating correctly?

How about IT budget projection, forecasting and spend-reporting into the financial system was that part of your monthly drum-beat?

Etc, etc. I often find that those who shout loudest about the bloat of managers are usually the ones with the least understanding of what these jobs actually entail. I'm a Professional Engineer*, and as such have no particular admiration for those lesser humans in project and functional management, but I do at least understand what they do and why it is needed. I have no interest in doing the finance/treasury roles, but I fully understand how they operate and why they need the correctly formatted spend forecasting and reporting data which I typically spend one day a month generating. They then do all the mundane but essential stuff which enables me to do the more creative and stimulating stuff I'm paid to do.

PDR

* For the last couple if years I've been running our engineering Degree Apprenticeship programmes which was a role I thought I'd continue with for the few years I have to go before retiring. But I've been pulled back into the front-line from the end of this month to run a team to solve some urgent operational issues in the UK F-35 programme. It seems that all my contemporarily have already retired, and I'm the last Professional Engineer left on the payroll with the required operational experience. Nice to feel wanted...
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barbados
1389587.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:33 am Reply with quote

Iím actually struggling to understand (what you are trying to achieve by) your question.
Which part of the job role are you not understanding?
The sole responsibility was removing a computer from a desk, and replacing it with another. Nothing more, and there pretty much is nothing less.
My job (while appreciative at the time) was a huge waste of money, two people and a manager was around £80,000 pa in the middle of the pay band, for roles that could have been taken easily by the team that would attempt to fix the problem in situ.

 
Jenny
1389607.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:30 am Reply with quote

Way to ignore all the points made about the role of a manager...

 
PDR
1389610.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:34 am Reply with quote

He's not ignoring them - he's just confirming that he hasn't a clue what his superiors' jobs actually entail.

PDR

 
barbados
1389611.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:06 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
Did you run the procurement process for equipment?

Nope, that would be run through the procurement team at NHSBSA, not part of the trust
PDR wrote:
Or the Information Assurance Accreditation?
That would be the responsibility of the IT director (not part of the previously mentioned "team"
PDR wrote:
Or manage the software license procurement?
That would still be run through NHSBSA as mentioned
PDR wrote:
Did you determine the lock-down configuration for the platforms, or to the compatibility testing for new software & hardware on the network?
That would be run by SYSOPS
PDR wrote:
Was maintaining and updating hardware & software firewalling (including threat evaluation) part of your duties?
No, as previously mentioned, it was solely putting the PC on the desk, Did you mean to include the duties covered SECOPS
PDR wrote:
And of course assuring & maintaining compliance with the plethora of regulations surround IT in the public sector and IT in medical (safety-critical) applications - was that yours as well?
No, that would be the responsibility of the CAB
PDR wrote:
I'm guessing you were the sysadmin with responsibility for creating, managing, configuring and deleting accounts - did this extend to activity monitoring to ensure the access-control strategy and lockdown configuration were operating correctly?
No, as previously stated, my role was set up the computers ready to be put into place to replace those that could not be fixed within a given timescale.(I now work to a shorter timescale, if a laptop can't be fixed in 20 minutes, it is replaced from the pool of equally aged equipment)
PDR wrote:

How about IT budget projection, forecasting and spend-reporting into the financial system was that part of your monthly drum-beat?
IT budget projection would be the responsibility of the IT Director, Forecasting and spend reporting - would come under the finance director's remit - although I would be responsible for reporting back and stock control

As you can see, pretty much all of the above could be covered with a simple description, once again, of what my job entailed. If only I'd thought of that previously
* for ref, none of the above specialisms relate to jobs within the department referred to initially where the sole remit is EUC.

 
PDR
1389612.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:24 am Reply with quote

Whooosh...

PDR

 
barbados
1389613.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:39 am Reply with quote

Will you make up your mind - you wanted a response to the points raised, I responded to them.

Although when you rely on an appeal to authority for the root of you post, along with comments like
Quote:
have no particular admiration for those lesser humans
it isn't hard to see what your game is.

 
PDR
1389635.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:59 pm Reply with quote

You have said that you were the go-to man for al the work and implied that the array of managers above you did nothing of value, yet its clear from your post that the scope of your duties covered perhaps 5% of the IT provision, management & support function.

This would seem (at face value) to show some inconsistencies.

PDR

 
barbados
1389639.  Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:31 pm Reply with quote

The inconsistencies are down to you asking questions that are irrelevant to the conversation. Read back on the comments you will see that, during my time at the NHS (what is being discussed) the role I had, along with a lot of others was one that was very wasteful.
In previous and subsequent private sector EUC roles, I had input into the tasks you have mentioned.
They were not my responsibility, for example in the education roles the budgeting was done by the board of governors. These are often run by parents of pupils both current and previous. They are unaware of what is required, so would discuss the requirements with someone who knew what was required (me), within a MAT, that same information would be required by a board of directors, and would rely on a report created by me.

In only one other IT role did I not have input across a project, and that was as a solutions support specialist (the actual job title was solutions engineer but it isnít a name I used) but seeing as that role was one of B2B rather than B2C or EUC you wouldnít expect to have any input in the tasks you mention.

Perhaps in future you might
a) learn what hyperbole is
b) advise when you go off on a tagent
c) learn to be slightly less patronising and rude
Then we can all get a long?

 
PDR
1389643.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:40 am Reply with quote

What we were discussing was this:

barbados wrote:
Jenny wrote:

And in the instance you cite, is it true that the five managers out of 14 did nothing else but manage the other 9 members of the department? Were they all of equal standing, so that each of the five managed specific individuals while doing no other form of work?

Yes.


But in subsequent posts it seems that managing the IT department involved rather more than just managing/supervising the other 9 members of the department. That's where the inconsistency seems to lie.

PDR

 
barbados
1389653.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:58 am Reply with quote

There was no mention of bloat in other organisations from anyone other than you

 
PDR
1389655.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:07 am Reply with quote

Strangely short memory (my emphasis)

Alexander Howard wrote:
Personally, I think it's a cussedly awful decision that might even reduce the tax take, and if it increases it, the money will be spaffed up the wall by inefficient bureaucracy and not reach the project it is intended to do. They could trim rolls of fat off the bloated state, if it were not so engorged that no one can see any shape to it, let alone where to stick the knife.


barbados wrote:
I can see a little of where AH is coming from.
The NHS isnít funded adequately, and it never will be. So there is some merit in looking to reduce the bloat before giving additional money.


Ho hum...

PDR

 
Alexander Howard
1389656.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:48 am Reply with quote

I suppose imitation is the greatest form of flattery, but even I cannot claim originality for that one - nor 'spaff up the wall': the latter was from Boris. For some reason the word 'bloat' comes to mind when Boris is in a sentence.

 
barbados
1389658.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:21 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
Strangely short memory (my emphasis)

Alexander Howard wrote:
Personally, I think it's a cussedly awful decision that might even reduce the tax take, and if it increases it, the money will be spaffed up the wall by inefficient bureaucracy and not reach the project it is intended to do. They could trim rolls of fat off the bloated state, if it were not so engorged that no one can see any shape to it, let alone where to stick the knife.


barbados wrote:
I can see a little of where AH is coming from.
The NHS isnít funded adequately, and it never will be. So there is some merit in looking to reduce the bloat before giving additional money.


Ho hum...

PDR

You appear to have overlooked the immediate posts following the second of those quoted. You remember the ones where you asked me to justify the hyperbole, which - although clearly hyperbole I did provide details of when I was employed in the NHS, you then referred to my comparison with the private sector, with another question about my role in the NHS - although this time after I had answered it you referred it to my private sector roles - to which I duly responded.
Are you now saying the points you raised about budget responsibility etc do actually refer to the NHS role?

 
Alexander Howard
1389662.  Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:21 am Reply with quote

I'd love it if they could take a scalpel to waste in the NHS, but don't ask me: I have no idea where that waste is.

There is little political motive to reform, and plenty favouring throwing money at the NHS willy-nilly. If the concern really were for health outcomes, politicians would universally vote to abolish the NHS and go over to a system that works better, like Germany's or Singapore's.

 

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