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barbados
1342448.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:20 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
barbados wrote:
Perhaps you can think of an occasion where a stationery vehicle has struck a moving one?


We were talking about the case of faulty traffic lights at a crossroads showing green to both sides at once. In that case the car which drives to the middle of the crossroads and stops could be held just as liable (or non-liable) for unreasonably/unadvisably stopping as the one which then came into collision with it. One car stopping 2 seconds before the collision doesn't change anything.

PDR

I think we are talking at cross purposes here in that case.
In suze’s example, if driver a has obeyed the light (i.e proceeded with caution), seen a danger and reacted accordingly, by stopping to prevent a collision (occasionally stopping is not the best course of action) then the “fault” lies with the driver that didn’t proceed with caution and act accordingly on noticing the other driver.

* an example of when accelerating is a correct course of action would be at a pinched in section of road where a judgement error has been made

 
barbados
1342455.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:09 am Reply with quote

@dr.bob I actually think that blame is the right word to be discussing in this particular thread. I think that it is a bit, for want of a better word, aggressive. Perhaps we should replace it with responsibility? Maybe that would portray the term in a more appropriate manner.
To me if you say that someone is to blame for skidding into another car did anything more than misjudge the road conditions- you wouldn’t deliberately skid into another after all. They are “responsible” for the accident happening, because they didn’t judge the driving conditions correctly, but blame suggests a lack of care to me

 
PDR
1342456.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:37 am Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:

PDR wrote:
I haven't had a claim for over 25 years


What, even with those hoards of wildlife that are constantly hurling themselves at your car? ;-)


:0)

1. As I said - those were instances that happened to both me and people I know. Some of that wildlife chose to hurl themselves at other cars (although as far as I know none of them shouted "Allah Akabar!" whhile doing so :0) )

2. For the ones that DID happen to me I wasn't comprehensively insured - just TPF&T. When I was young comprehensive insurance was just unaffordable (for the value of the kind of jallopi I drove then) and when I had better cars they were usually kit-cars cars for which comprehensive insurance was uneconomic. I only started getting comprehensive insurance 20 years ago when the acquisition of a wife and the ensuing family forced me to reduce my self to old-man's-cars...

PDR

 
barbados
1342458.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:45 am Reply with quote

Do they still do TPF&T insurance.
I stopped using that when it became cheaper to insure fully comp. which I think was about 25 years ago

 
suze
1342465.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:37 pm Reply with quote

Yes they do, but it's nothing like as common as once.

I know that some of the girls in the sixth form have it because it's cheaper than fully comp, but the price differential is much smaller than it was when people of our generation first had cars. Indeed, in some cases it's actually more expensive than fully comp and therefore utterly pointless.

Little black boxes had a passing vogue about five years ago but seem to have faded a bit, and from what I hear anecdotally "fronting" is the big thing once again. That means asserting that it's (usually) your mom's car but you drive it occasionally, when in practice you are the main driver.

While hard to detect, this is illegal - but I don't get to say so very often because the girls I talk to are all very sure that they wouldn't do any such thing themselves but they know someone who does.

 
barbados
1342466.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:40 pm Reply with quote

I understand, the legitimate way to do that is to have a parent as a named driver.
Although the students at the schools I work are either a bit young to be driving or they don't bother about insurance (you can decide which)

 
crissdee
1342467.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:53 pm Reply with quote

@barb. I think a "not" slipped out of your post back there (the one addressed to dr.bob)

Something that occured to me after I turned off the computer this morning. Suppose someone was proceeding with due caution along a double-parked residential street, and another person in one of the parked cars suddenly opened their door into the carriageway without looking, so that it struck the moving car.

Wouldn't that fall into the category of "stationary vehicle hitting a moving one"? The door opener would surely be considered as responsible for the damage as far as insurance claims were concerned.

 
suze
1342470.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:00 pm Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
Although the students at the schools I work are either a bit young to be driving or they don't bother about insurance (you can decide which)


Since you do not work in the Medway Towns, I expect it's the former!

 
barbados
1342471.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:03 pm Reply with quote

@criss No it hasn't dropped out, the word "blame" has negative connotations, and as that is what the thread is primarily about, it is correct that it should be part of this conversation.
With regards to the door, why would you be passing so close that a door opening would hit you? It is the moving driver's responsibility, and the car where the door that is opening is travelling at what speed? It is not moving, and it has been hit by the moving vehicle

@suze, I'm allowed to say this under the rules of my shit town top trumps - I'll see your Medway towns and raise you a Croydon. ;)

 
PDR
1342473.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:30 pm Reply with quote

There are plenty of residential streets which allow double parking but when cars are parked on both sides there's barely three feet more than a car's width down the middle. In these cases you'd be unable to avoid an opening door (or car that pulls out) even if you're not doing 5mph. There are other, wider streets when there is 2-way traffic, but cars have close to no gap when they pass eachother. Again, an act of stupidity by the occupant of a parked car would be unreadable at any speed.

The lane at one end of mine is in the second category.

PDR

 
barbados
1342474.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:44 pm Reply with quote

And if you hit a stationery vehicle you were not driving with the due care required when driving down a narrow residential road.

 
PDR
1342476.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:45 pm Reply with quote

Not if the stationary vehicle suddenly opens its doors as you pass.

PDR

 
crissdee
1342478.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:12 pm Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
@criss No it hasn't dropped out, the word "blame" has negative connotations, and as that is what the thread is primarily about, it is correct that it should be part of this conversation.


barbados wrote:
@dr.bob I actually think that blame is * the right word to be discussing in this particular thread. I think that it is a bit, for want of a better word, aggressive. Perhaps we should replace it with responsibility? Maybe that would portray the term in a more appropriate manner.


It seems that paragraph only makes sense if "not" is inserted where I have added the asterisk.

 
barbados
1342479.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:52 pm Reply with quote

The meaning was that we should, as a word with negative connotations, be discussing it, in a discussion about the negative connotations of some words (blame is to responsibility as black is to hot - as in crime black/hot spot)

 
Jenny
1342480.  Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:42 pm Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
Not if the stationary vehicle suddenly opens its doors as you pass.

PDR


This exact thing happened to me about 34 years ago (precise because I was pregnant with my youngest at the time). Our street was narrow, cars were parked both sides, and I was travelling well under the speed limit because I only had to drive a couple of hundred yards down the street to get to my house. A car door was opened right in front of my car about three feet in front of me and I couldn’t avoid hitting it. The insurance company agreed with me.

 

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