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1338679.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:13 pm Reply with quote

Yes, I'll buy that.

Let's drop the apartheid one because I don't really expect it to happen - much as there are those in the Conservative Party who now think it's OK to be openly racist, when they didn't under Mr Cameron's leadership.

But on the other three, £20 per statement. I doubt if anyone wants December elections to become the new normal, so the next election will probably be a bit early in May/June 2024. I'll give you a few months though, and you win the bet if the thing has not happened by 1 Jan 2024. (That date inclusive, purely because a Scottish independence would probably be arranged to happen on a 1 Jan.)

I hear what you say about the centrists who are not at present welcome in the Labour Party, but exactly the same applies with knobs on to the centrists in the Conservative Party. Does the country really need a Conservative Party in which the likes of Ken Clarke and Leroy Jethro Hammond are goddamn lefties who are not welcome?

1338680.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:16 pm Reply with quote

@suze. Checked that link, that is the place the gentleman at the polling station gave me the number for. Thanks anyway, there may be more useful stuff there, and an email can sometimes be better because I have more time to collect my thoughts and ask the things that need to be asked.

1338682.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:44 pm Reply with quote

That sounds like a good plan. On checking back, I discover that I'd given you the Welsh-language version of that page. Fortunately for you, all local government services in Wales are also available in English!

The results have started to come in. The first few are always from the north east of England, and we learn that Blyth Valley has turned Conservative for the first time for eighty years.

WTAF? OK, so that part of England voted Leave and it doesn't much care for Mr Corbyn's London centricity. But when the good folks of Blyth Valley wake up tomorrow morning, will they really be pleased that they have voted for a pompous Old Etonian who will never go to a place like Blyth Valley in his life? He doesn't know about the low wages on offer in such places, he doesn't know about the many people who rely on food banks, he doesn't know that the council can scarcely empty the bins on the money it gets from central government. And he doesn't care, because those people are not like him.

Meanwhile, HFMMOG. A DUP candidate has just been on Radio 4, and he's saying that a Conservative landslide leading to the implementation of Mr Johnson's deal might easily cause The Troubles to return. If it were Sinn Féin saying that you'd be entitled to treat the remark with a certain amount of contempt, but when the Loyalist side is saying it I think we need to be rather scared.

1338683.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:09 pm Reply with quote

Interesting comments from Kate Hoey about where the blame lies for the expected decimation of the Labour Party.
She is putting it squarely at the feet of John McDonnell.

1338684.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:44 pm Reply with quote

There are those who might place some part of that blame at the feet of Kate Hoey. Ms Hoey has retired from Parliament and was not a candidate in today's election, so I imagine she will now join the DUP in which she always belonged.

The current projections show Jo Swinson losing her seat of East Dunbartonshire to the SNP. The LibDems don't think that will happen, but a party as large as the LibDems cannot have a leader who is not an MP. Only problem is, is there anyone left to be the next leader of the LibDems that the general public has ever heard of? Are they going to have drag Dr Sir J Vincent Cable out of retirement yet again?

Blyth Valley was bad enough, but the projections also have it that Dennis Skinner may have lost his seat in Bolsover to the Conservatives. HTAF a mining seat can vote for the party of Margaret Thatcher I have no clue.

One of the few pieces of possible good news for the Labour Party concerns Kensington. It was generally considered as a bit of a fluke when Labour won that seat by 20 votes last time, but Emma Dent Coad reckons that she's held it.

1338685.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:01 pm Reply with quote

It's very early obviously but it's looking like a heavy pro-Brexit vote. At least constituency by constituency it does - the Lab percentage vote overall is considerably higher as far as we know so far but the projected number of seats places a heavy Conservative majority in place without any need for external support assuming loyalty along party lines (Con: 368-326 = 42).

<E> Of course every seat beyond 326 means not only one more Conservative Parliamentary vote but one less vote in opposition doubling the extent of impact of votes beyond (and below) the winning post. With one constituency left to be declared the Conservatives actually hold 364 seats; 38 more than needed for an absolute majority.

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1338686.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:25 pm Reply with quote

So does that mean that there is now no party which actually wants the votes of the 48% who voted Remain?

It's become extremely clear in recent months that Remainists are no longer welcome in the Conservative Party. Now that post-industrial towns in the north are busy electing MPs from a party which hates anyone who isn't a posh millionaire, the Labour Party will feel that it too has to abandon Remainists. The LibDems will once again become a complete irrelevance led by no one you've ever heard of, and the SNP will operate in a foreign country.

It looks as if I have absolutely no one to vote for in future.

1338687.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:57 pm Reply with quote

Unless I go and live in Putney, perhaps ...

That was Justine Greening's seat when she was a Conservative, it voted strongly Remain, and it has gone Labour hugely against the trend.

Is it going to be a problem for Mr Johnson if he has a decent majority but he's struggling in London?

I should go to bed, but I haven't had much sleep on an election night at any time since my teens!

EDIT: And on that theme, it's looking as if Zac Goldsmith has lost his seat to the LibDems for the second time. "Sources" are saying that he's likely to be given a peerage so that he can stay not-quite in the Cabinet.

1338688.  Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:47 pm Reply with quote

I have been on a very busy night shift, and been trying to keep up. Annoyingly, I see that the Lib Dem came second in D. Raaaaab's seat by a margin smaller than the vote for the Labour candidate.
Not even the crumb of comfort of seeing that useless little chinless goit buggering off into obscurity....

1338695.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:24 am Reply with quote

I hope the Labour Party have a deep rethink. Over the last few years the party has been infiltrated and termited by an extremist junta of 1970s throwbacks (whilst at the same time promoting an almost fascist antisemitic agenda - both extreme left and extreme right is a single package). The net result is a failure to score in the most open, unguarded goal ever seen in UK politics. They failed to sell their message of class hatred and innumerate economics. Hilary Benn would probably have delivered a victory, but it was not to be.

I'm prepared to be magnanimous about this - I feel we should set up a crowd-funding site to provide a free holiday for Corbyn, Abbott, Mcdonnell and all the members of Momentum. I feel somewhere distant and warm would be best - I'm thinking White Island.


1338696.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:28 am Reply with quote

The real winner of course is Scotland.
By the snp only winning 48 seats they have been saved from Ruth Davidson swimming naked in Loch Ness.
Good job Scotland

1338703.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:06 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
There is a possible explanation for the first part. A new edition of the Register of Electors is published on 1 December each year, based on a canvass which is usually carried out during the summer. The date of 1 December was chosen for this precisely because elections are "never" held in December and so there isn't the potential for confusion that there would be if it were 1 May.

So, even if I had registered in January, and the election had been in May, I still wouldn't be on the list? That strikes me as a trifle inefficient. Surely a better plan would be to keep a "rolling" list going, with people being added as they registered, so that whenever we went to the polls, they would have a reasonably up-to-date list.

suze wrote:


Alexander Howard
1338711.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:37 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
I'm prepared to be magnanimous about this - I feel we should set up a crowd-funding site to provide a free holiday for Corbyn, Abbott, Mcdonnell and all the members of Momentum. I feel somewhere distant and warm would be best - I'm thinking White Island.


Well, I think we could be more constructive. They have been saying to everyone who will listen that socialism will make everyone happy and free, and when confronted by the plain fact that in every single country where it is tried socialism has caused starvation, misery and tyranny, they say that it was not real socialism, or socialism that was not done properly. So, we send them to a country that doesn't matter much and let them "do socialism properly" there. A couple of years later, the Royal Navy can pick up the survivors.

1338712.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:07 am Reply with quote

Alexander Howard wrote:

and when confronted by the plain fact that in every single country where it is tried socialism has caused starvation, misery and tyranny,

Sweden? Denmark?


1338723.  Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:10 am Reply with quote

One good bit of news.
Ann Widdicombe failed in her bid to be MP in Plymouth. She lost to a gay guy.


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