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GuyBarry
1327403.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:26 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
It may be that PM Johnson has it in mind that Mr Gove will be de facto Deputy PM and will deputise at PMQs as required, which makes a certain amount of sense.


Dominic Raab has been given the title of First Secretary of State alongside that of Foreign Secretary, suggesting that he will be the effective deputy PM.

 
tetsabb
1327406.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:44 am Reply with quote

Will someone give Dominic Raab an atlas?

 
barbados
1327410.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:59 am Reply with quote

Now the dust has settled, considering the talk was of surrounding himself by people on the same page with regards to the big issue of the day.
Am I the only one surprised by this appointment?
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154148221553467394?s=20

 
cnb
1327412.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:58 am Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
Now the dust has settled, considering the talk was of surrounding himself by people on the same page with regards to the big issue of the day.
Am I the only one surprised by this appointment?
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1154148221553467394?s=20


One of the comments on there is superb: "If Boris knew who his children were he'd have given them jobs too".

 
Alexander Howard
1327416.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:51 am Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
Will someone give Dominic Raab an atlas?


He's got a a map of the only places he needs.

 
cnb
1327419.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:08 am Reply with quote

Alexander Howard wrote:
tetsabb wrote:
Will someone give Dominic Raab an atlas?


He's got a a map of the only places he needs.


He's got a modern map of the world:

 
GuyBarry
1327420.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:41 am Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Yes, he is the sort of person who has read Erskine May in four different languages


Going off-topic for a moment, I'm pleased to say that Erskine May has finally been made available online:

https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/

No need to shell out 400 or visit the British Library any more!

(I hope that more than 0.00001% of the population are interested :-))

 
cnb
1327424.  Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:09 am Reply with quote

GuyBarry wrote:
suze wrote:
Yes, he is the sort of person who has read Erskine May in four different languages


Going off-topic for a moment, I'm pleased to say that Erskine May has finally been made available online:


Unfortunately, in only one language. How long will it be before Plaid Cymru are demanding that it be offered in Welsh too?

 
dr.bob
1328893.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:04 am Reply with quote

Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems as good a place as any.

Our beloved new PM, Mr Johnson, seems to have spent a lot of his premiership so far spouting crowd-pleasing statements which look more at home on the campaign trail. Whether this is a deliberate attempt to copy President Trump's apparent tactic of constantly campaigning, or just preparing for the inevitable general election when the government falls to a vote of no confidence remains to be seen.

I've noticed a disturbing trend to his latest statements. We all know that Mr Johnson is not averse to making statements that are factually incorrect, as witnessed by his defence of the figures on the side of that bus. However, all of his latest outpourings seem to be complete fake news.

A few days ago. Mr Johnson stated that if asylum seekers tried to cross the Channel to enter the UK, "we will send you back." People working for asylum charities pointed out that this statement was "misleading, designed to inflame tension and, if put in practice, would violate international law."

At the G7 summit in his meeting with President Trump, Mr Johnson claimed that US regulations prevent the sale of Melton Mowbray pork pies "which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland." In an interview this morning with the Radio 4 Today programme, the chairman of the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association (yes, that's a real thing) stated that no pork pies were currently exported to either Thailand or Iceland (though he accepted that they are sold by the supermarket Iceland). Number 10 claimed that Mr Johnson's statement was true based on the exports of the company Walker & Son which did export to those countries. However a statement from the company said that 'it had previously exported a "tiny amount" of pork pies to Singapore, but had not done so for "at least two years" and is now "entirely focused on the UK market".'

Mr Johnson's latest attempt to play to the crowd involves him castigating the BBC for not funding free TV licences for all over-75s. Mr Johnson claims that, when the responsibility for over-75s TV licences was handed over to the BBC by the government in 2015, it "was conditional upon their paying for TV licences for the over-75s." You'll never guess, but this also appears to be untrue. The BBC have denied that this was ever the case. Their argument seems to be bolstered by the comments of John Whittingdale, the culture secretary at the time the BBC took over responsibility for the over-75s licences, in a debate on the subject back in June. In the debate, Mr Whittingdale stated that "when the decision was taken it was understood that [not funding licences for all over-75s] would be a possible outcome."

Should I be worried by this? Can Mr Johnson successfully carve out a political career by just talking utter bollocks? It worked for him in the Brexit debate. No matter how many times it was pointed out that he was simply lying, nobody seemed to care. Can Mr Johnson win an election by simply stirring up hatred against the EU, immigrants, and the BBC by stating things that are simply untrue?

 
Willie
1328914.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:08 pm Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:
Not sure where to put this, but this thread seems as good a place as any.

Our beloved new PM, Mr Johnson, seems to have spent a lot of his premiership so far spouting crowd-pleasing statements which look more at home on the campaign trail. Whether this is a deliberate attempt to copy President Trump's apparent tactic of constantly campaigning, or just preparing for the inevitable general election when the government falls to a vote of no confidence remains to be seen.

I've noticed a disturbing trend to his latest statements. We all know that Mr Johnson is not averse to making statements that are factually incorrect, as witnessed by his defence of the figures on the side of that bus. However, all of his latest outpourings seem to be complete fake news.

A few days ago. Mr Johnson stated that if asylum seekers tried to cross the Channel to enter the UK, "we will send you back." People working for asylum charities pointed out that this statement was "misleading, designed to inflame tension and, if put in practice, would violate international law."

At the G7 summit in his meeting with President Trump, Mr Johnson claimed that US regulations prevent the sale of Melton Mowbray pork pies "which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland." In an interview this morning with the Radio 4 Today programme, the chairman of the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association (yes, that's a real thing) stated that no pork pies were currently exported to either Thailand or Iceland (though he accepted that they are sold by the supermarket Iceland). Number 10 claimed that Mr Johnson's statement was true based on the exports of the company Walker & Son which did export to those countries. However a statement from the company said that 'it had previously exported a "tiny amount" of pork pies to Singapore, but had not done so for "at least two years" and is now "entirely focused on the UK market".'

Mr Johnson's latest attempt to play to the crowd involves him castigating the BBC for not funding free TV licences for all over-75s. Mr Johnson claims that, when the responsibility for over-75s TV licences was handed over to the BBC by the government in 2015, it "was conditional upon their paying for TV licences for the over-75s." You'll never guess, but this also appears to be untrue. The BBC have denied that this was ever the case. Their argument seems to be bolstered by the comments of John Whittingdale, the culture secretary at the time the BBC took over responsibility for the over-75s licences, in a debate on the subject back in June. In the debate, Mr Whittingdale stated that "when the decision was taken it was understood that [not funding licences for all over-75s] would be a possible outcome."

Should I be worried by this? Can Mr Johnson successfully carve out a political career by just talking utter bollocks? It worked for him in the Brexit debate. No matter how many times it was pointed out that he was simply lying, nobody seemed to care. Can Mr Johnson win an election by simply stirring up hatred against the EU, immigrants, and the BBC by stating things that are simply untrue?


I'm more shocked that people are surprised that he is lying. Lying is his standard practice, he has been doing it since the '80s at least. He gets through because people see him see him as a entertaining clown who happens to do everything he can to promote boris incorporated.

It was amusing when he lied about bendy bananas and HIGNFY being scripted, it got less funny when he lied about his multiple affairs, it's less funny he is lying to promote jingoism and the collective economic suicide bid of the nutty right wing He has also been sacked multiple times for lying to his bosses

He was know as someone who threw money at vanity projects as mayor of London. He seems to be following the same pattern as PM with constant announcements of spending money but zero information as to where the money is coming from.

The people who voted for him care not a jot about the truth or their constituents, they just care about project bring back the British Empire.

 
crissdee
1328915.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:15 pm Reply with quote

There's really no need to quote the whole of the immediately preceding post you know, we will pretty much assume you are responding to the previous post unless you tell us otherwise.

 
Willie
1328916.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:26 pm Reply with quote

OK if you say so :-)

 
suze
1328918.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:22 pm Reply with quote

dr.bob wrote:
Can Mr Johnson win an election by simply stirring up hatred against the EU, immigrants, and the BBC by stating things that are simply untrue?


And here is the problem: yes he can.

Some proportion of the population actually subscribe to Mr Johnson's agenda. I don't really know how big that proportion is, but it includes those who control the news agenda at every newspaper except The Guardian, and at every television station except Channel 4.

The head of Channel 4 News has recently suggested that her station might be less reticent in future than in the past about saying "What Politician X just said is not true". But even if that does happen, all that will come from it is that Politician X will get all the other media outlets to tell the nation "Actually, that is not true and it is they who are lying".

What we can do about this unfortunate situation, I really don't know.

 
PDR
1328922.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:07 pm Reply with quote

Willie wrote:
He seems to be following the same pattern as PM with constant announcements of spending money but zero information as to where the money is coming from.


Well he was originally relying on the UK's magic money tree, but its yield fell short of the need. He looked around for other sources, but found nothing. In desperation he consulted former chancellors, and some of them suggested that he might be able to get sufficient funds by sharing the trees of other nations. So he is pinning his hopes on such an arrangement and is canvassing support for european money-tree union...

PDR

 
tetsabb
1328925.  Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:13 pm Reply with quote

Leaf it out, Pete!

 

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