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AlmondFacialBar
1295872.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:29 am Reply with quote

The presence or absence of a loved companion might well make a difference (I don't have actual stats for that, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised), because managing personal relationships is just as much part of adulthood as holding down a job and contributing to your community in other ways. Does that companion have to be if a particular gender, though? No! Does the person's relationship with that companion have to answer to any particular definition of love? Also no! Finally - all those adult responsibilities only apply to men? From which 18th century tome exactly did you extract that shit, Alexander?

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
barbados
1295876.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:59 am Reply with quote

You seemed to grasp what was suggested by the give him a wife comment, but then you seemed to lose a bit of focus.
In this particular case I would suggest that it is the man we are talking about.

 
crissdee
1295881.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:49 am Reply with quote

And of course, it is a well-known fact that there are very few married criminals...........

 
AlmondFacialBar
1295882.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:56 am Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
You seemed to grasp what was suggested by the give him a wife comment, but then you seemed to lose a bit of focus.
In this particular case I would suggest that it is the man we are talking about.




:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
'yorz
1295884.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:15 am Reply with quote

AFB, your smiley signature can be mighty confusing and counter-productive.

 
barbados
1295885.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:22 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
barbados wrote:
You seemed to grasp what was suggested by the give him a wife comment, but then you seemed to lose a bit of focus.
In this particular case I would suggest that it is the man we are talking about.




:-)

AlmondFacialBar


Were you suggesting that the level of criminals we are discussing here are just as likely to be female?

 
Jenny
1295972.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:00 pm Reply with quote

I think you maybe need to define exactly what crimes the criminals you have in mind have committed, barb, before we can answer that.

 
barbados
1295975.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:08 pm Reply with quote

I thought the discussion was about serious criminals - the kind that attract long sentences (that end up as short sentences in prisons).

 
suze
1295979.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:03 pm Reply with quote

The United Nations collated global statistics on homicides in 2014, and found that 96% of persons convicted of murder are male, while 79% of victims of murder are male.

We cannot necessarily say from this that 96% of people who commit murder are male since not every murder is solved, and in fact I wouldn't be especially surprised if a woman is more likely than a man to get away with a murder. All the same, it is clearly the case that an overwhelming majority of murders are both by a man and of a man.

(source, a very long document which I rather doubt that anyone bar the editor has ever read all the way through)

Since I am not entirely sure what point barbados is trying to make, the relevance of this information to that point is left as an exercise.

 
barbados
1295987.  Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:33 pm Reply with quote

The point I was making was in response to AFB's contributions.

In as much as Alexander Howard's suggestion that in order to prevent the criminal from committing the crime you should give him responsibility. Apparently that caused some kind of offence, I was merely pointing out that statistically the criminal is going to be male, so the term him would be understandable. Although for some we would need to cover every gender combination to prevent causing *insert objective pronoun of choice* offence.

 
suze
1296010.  Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:08 am Reply with quote

I don't have a huge problem with using him to mean "a person of whichever sex". "The masculine is taken to embrace the feminine", as a certain kind of French teacher was wont to say a generation ago.

Society has moved on a bit from there and we shouldn't use him all the time, and in fact I quite often use her to mean "a person of whichever sex". You can use either, you can use things like him/her and s/he but they are cumbersome, and you can use they but some find it inelegant.

Since, as we have established, murder is predominantly a male pursuit and since Alexander did say that he was talking specifically about men, no huge problem so far. It was "give him a wife" to which there was most objection. Not all people are heterosexual, not all people have any interest in marriage, not all men who are interested in marriage would make good husbands, and so on and so forth.

 
Zziggy
1296328.  Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:27 pm Reply with quote

Well there's that, or the fact that women aren't little trophies that you get to allot to men as an incentive or reward for good behaviour...

 
'yorz
1296334.  Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:59 pm Reply with quote

post 1295869
As I already pointed out.

 
Zziggy
1296338.  Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:13 pm Reply with quote

Sorry, missed it.

 
Jenny
1296349.  Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:13 pm Reply with quote

Bill Cosby got 3-10 years, which at the age of 81 could literally be a life sentence. Deserved it though.

 

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