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472035.  Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:41 am Reply with quote

Thanks exnilio. I found the programme fascinating and am looking forward to the rest of his series. It's casting interesting light on a subject shrouded in myth. You can tell him he's got a fan in Yorkshire when you see him!
It would seem that quite a few of these invasions and ethnic takeovers we learnt about in school years ago are being re-assessed as assimilation. DNA profiling seems to be throwing up quite a lot of interesting results and challenging old orthodoxy.

472141.  Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:38 pm Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:

Examples of a nation achieving something would be:

Lunar exploration - US

Wasn't the whole Space race thing just a case of one lot of German scientists versus another lot of German scientists. One lot had been captured/liberated (depending on your view of the situation) by the Americans the other lot by the Russians.
This in no way is meant as a slight on those who sat atop "that candle" but rockets were hardly an American/Russian invention. Indeed do the Chinese fire arrows count as VV...early rockets (even then is there a sub division of liquid V solid fuels?)?
Fire arrows/rockets

BIG rockets

Space race

Moon Landings

So could the USs Lunar exploration just be termed as building on the work of the Chinese?

I feel that this "X invented/discovered/formulised Y" is bunkum everything invented/discovered/formulised seems to be supported by people going before.

472164.  Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:51 pm Reply with quote

Without checking I think that although the American space programme was certainly German based, I believe that the main man behind the Russian programme was a Russian but I am working off a dodgy memory of a tv programme I saw so I expect I will get shot down in flames fairly soon.

472688.  Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:29 am Reply with quote

You're quite right, and the man you're thinking of is Sergey Korolyov. A quite brilliant engineer, and I feel that soup's post does him a great disservice.

472981.  Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:41 pm Reply with quote

Breathes huge sigh of relief at getting away with sticking neck out.

773777.  Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:43 am Reply with quote

Can we know the source or sources for the Chinese or Italians invented whisky comment? I am Scottish and have no doubt that it is true but need confirmation. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

876242.  Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:01 pm Reply with quote

Menocchio wrote:
Here is the entry in The Book of General Ignorance ...

What’s interesting about Scotland, kilts, bagpipes, haggis, porridge, whisky and tartan?

None of them are Scottish.

Having said a’ that, they’ve nae been idle, ye ken. Scots inventions and discoveries include: ...Kelvin scale...

The Kelvin scale was named after my ancestor, William Thomson, who took the title Baron Kelvin of Largs. Despite the choice of title (he was a professor at Glasgow University) he was in fact Irish, born in Co Antrim in 1824.

876716.  Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:38 pm Reply with quote

Not to belittle Korlokov but from that article:-
"key figure" "lead man" i.e Leader of a team, he didn't do it all himself.

Again I feel this is credit being applied to one person when actually that person is just one in a long line.

Sadurian Mike
877399.  Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:01 pm Reply with quote

bobwilson wrote:
Intercontinental Bombers - Germany.


Now any aircraft could be said to be an 'intercontinental bomber' if it is able to cross a continental divide carrying bombs, but I am assuming you mean long-range heavy bombers able to cross oceans and so on.

German bombers were short ranged because:

a) Germany is a continental country and saw little need to develop long-range strategic bombing, concentrating instead on aircraft that could support her army.
b) They never really solved the problem of the engines. German engines were relatively weak and this precluded heavy bombers of the 'intercontinental' long-range variety.
c) By the time they realised that long-range bombing would be a good idea, Hitler's interference, Udet's mad ideas in aircraft planning, and Allied strategic bombing meant that all their designs were too little too late.

I suppose you could just about argue that Zeppelin airships count as intercontinental bombers, but it would grasping at inflammable straws.

879484.  Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:59 am Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
I suppose you could just about argue that Zeppelin airships count as intercontinental bombers.

Couldn't the Condor (Focke-Wulf something or other) be said(argued) to be one .

Sadurian Mike
879514.  Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:15 pm Reply with quote

The Focke -Wulf Fw200 'Condor'. Yes, it was about the best-known and most used long-range aircraft that the Luftwaffe fielded. It was a long-range aircraft because it was developed from an intercontinental airliner.

However, it first flew in 1937, after similar aircraft had appeared in the armouries of other nations and so could not be said to give Germany any credit for 'developing the inter-continental bomber'.

Not only that, but it was primarily used in the anti-shipping role during the early part of the war, and transport later on when losses mounted following the introduction of catapult-launched Hurricanes and escort carriers to Allied convoys. It was, to my knowledge, never used as a strategic bomber.*

*It certainly carried bombs in the maritime anti-shipping role, but that is not strategic bombing (and certainly not intercontinental bombing).

879631.  Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:58 pm Reply with quote

Any passing whales, shrimp and plankton might disagree with you, Mike

Sadurian Mike
879877.  Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:14 am Reply with quote

I don't listen to arguments from crustacea.

And I don't speak whale....

879952.  Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:15 pm Reply with quote

Sadurian Mike wrote:
I don't listen to arguments from crustacea.

Liar! I've seen you arguing with bobwilson!

917806.  Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:35 pm Reply with quote

It has been claimed here that Scots didn't invent most of what they claim. This is absolute rubbish. Scots did invent most of what they claim. As an example, it is stated here that hogmanay is actually French. Well, the word 'hogmanay' does sound a bit French, but it actually comes from the Scottish Gaelic 'thog mi an eigh' (pronounced hog mi an ey), which translates as 'give me a shout'.

It is also claimed that whisky comes from China and the name Whisky comes from uisge beatha, which is Irish. I've never actually known anything like whisky in China and most of my Chinese friends don't neither. The only thing resembling whisky they have is imported whisky.

Like in Irish, they also say uisge beatha in Scottish Gaelic, and it means 'water of life' (uisge = water, beatha - life).


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