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crissdee
1279381.  Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:07 pm Reply with quote

I shall keep my eye out for that, and hope that I am with someone when it happens, so I can astound them with my knowledge of obscure cricket-related games!

 
suze
1279399.  Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:17 pm Reply with quote

The man adds another way to spot that a game is using a tapeball: the batsmen don't usually wear helmets. In a leather ball game, any batsman who does't wear a helmet is either a) well over 40, b) utterly bonkers, or c) both. I'll let you decide which of those applies to the good husband, who is a non-helmet-wearer.


Meanwhile, and as I predicted on Sunday, Cricket Australia has sent Smith, Warner, and Bancroft back to Australia in disgrace, and the three will not take part in the final test match. Paine will carry on as captain for that game, but Cricket Australia is satisfied that Lehmann had no involvement and he is not punished.

Australian media are now fairly sure that it was all Warner's idea, and one senior Australian journalist believes that Warner will not play for Australia again.

 
dr.bob
1279441.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:15 am Reply with quote

Kevin Pietersen's balanced comment on the subject:

https://twitter.com/KP24/status/978692309771579394

 
Bondee
1279442.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:21 am Reply with quote

Also from Twitter, a dire warning of the consequences...

 
brunel
1279448.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:11 am Reply with quote

AndyE wrote:
The notion of deliberately making one side of the ball smooth goes back a century and more, but the notion of deliberately making the other side rough is newer. It's mainly used when the bowler is attempting to produce reverse swing ie the ball moves through the air in the opposite direction to that expected. Reverse swing was probably invented in Pakistan in the 70s, but didn't become well known until the 90s. It is in the attempt to produce reverse swing that some players have resorted to dubious tactics like soil in the pocket or the use of sandpaper. (A guy I've played against for absolutely years uses sandpaper. He knows that I know, but even properly qualified umpires seem to think that it's a private joke between the two of us and don't actually believe that he does it.)

It is somewhat prescient that you brought up the use of sandpaper, as it seems that Cricket Australia have now concluded that Bancroft was using sandpaper to roughen the ball (suggesting that the yellow tape might have been used to conceal what he was carrying). http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43565737

suze wrote:
The man adds another way to spot that a game is using a tapeball: the batsmen don't usually wear helmets. In a leather ball game, any batsman who does't wear a helmet is either a) well over 40, b) utterly bonkers, or c) both. I'll let you decide which of those applies to the good husband, who is a non-helmet-wearer.


Meanwhile, and as I predicted on Sunday, Cricket Australia has sent Smith, Warner, and Bancroft back to Australia in disgrace, and the three will not take part in the final test match. Paine will carry on as captain for that game, but Cricket Australia is satisfied that Lehmann had no involvement and he is not punished.

Australian media are now fairly sure that it was all Warner's idea, and one senior Australian journalist believes that Warner will not play for Australia again.

Warner does indeed seem to be the one who is being singled out for the most criticism, with Cricket Australia seemingly saying he was the one who not only came up with the plan, but instructed and even demonstrated to Bancroft the effect that he wanted him to achieve with the ball. That is why it seems that he's getting a permanent ban from any leadership position (whilst Bancroft and Smith are just being given two year bans).

It's not just Cricket Australia that have penalised them with 12 month bans (both for international and domestic events, though permitting club level play at least), as the Indian Premier League have also announced that Smith and Warner are also being banned from playing in the IPL.

 
Alfred E Neuman
1279471.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:56 am Reply with quote

I'm curious - would sandpaper be found in the typical cricket tog bag? It seems to me that it wouldn't, but never having played at any level where I actually had my own kit, I don't actually know. If it isn't, then just having it there would indicate a level of premeditation at odds with the "we were desperate at lunch and hatched a plan" story.

 
suze
1279476.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:35 am Reply with quote

brunel wrote:
It is somewhat prescient that you brought up the use of sandpaper, as it seems that Cricket Australia have now concluded that Bancroft was using sandpaper to roughen the ball (suggesting that the yellow tape might have been used to conceal what he was carrying)


Andy is definitely claiming some extra points for introducing sandpaper to the discussion! He didn't have some inside information that he couldn't really disclose at that time, but he doesn't mind if people imagine that he did!

brunel wrote:
It's not just Cricket Australia that have penalised them with 12 month bans (both for international and domestic events, though permitting club level play at least), as the Indian Premier League have also announced that Smith and Warner are also being banned from playing in the IPL.


Bancroft was due to play for Somerset this summer; Somerset are said to be considering their position. All three men are potentially available to play league cricket in England this summer, although it seems likely that the handful of clubs which could afford them have already made their foreign professional arrangements.

It is Andy's opinion that the bans handed out by Cricket Australia are excessive, and way out of line with the punishments issued for similar offences in the past. We'll have to wait and see, but he thinks it entirely possible that Warner in particular will walk away from the game. He's also a seriously good baseball player, and that sport does exist at a professional level in Australia.


Alfred E Neuman wrote:
I'm curious - would sandpaper be found in the typical cricket tog bag?


Yes. If you are a good amateur batsman, you use it to sand off any rough edges that appear on your bat. Your bat cost about £300, so you're keen for it to last the season. (If you are the good husband, your bat was "acquired" in circumstances which need not concern us here and you've used the same one for a decade - but even at his level, a specialist batsman wouldn't operate that way.)

If you are D Warner you have as many bats as you need from your sponsors, and you have people for minor repairs - but you still use sandpaper to get rid of the stickiness left behind when you peel a sticker off your bat.

 
franticllama
1279479.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:41 am Reply with quote

Not that I'm aware of, I've never had any use for it in my kit bag.
The only possible scenario I could come up with would be to get rid of a stray splinter or sticky up bit on a bat.

Damn. Ninja'd by Suze who also had a much more complete answer

 
suze
1279486.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:12 pm Reply with quote

Ha! I don't suppose for a moment that your hockey stick is wooden, but in the days when most of them were, a hockey player might carry sandpaper for similar reasons.

 
Bondee
1279500.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:28 pm Reply with quote

The last few posts have brought back a childhood memory. One of my neighbours was a keen cricketer. He would regularly give his bat a once-over with some fine sandpaper and then polish it with linseed oil. I remember the smell of the oil wafting down the street on a summer evening while we rode up and down on our bikes.

 
tetsabb
1279502.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:44 pm Reply with quote

Very evocative smell, linseed oil.

And what did I say earlier about allowing The Game to be played by non-Gentlemen?
Tut.

 
suze
1279536.  Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:55 pm Reply with quote

Husband informs me that he will be oiling his bat over the Easter weekend. Much as he has stood down as captain and won't be playing "seriously" this year, you didn't really think he had retired completely, did you?

He's not going to play every week, because he's keen to see the 1st XI playing in the division into which he got them promoted. But it's not unusual for the 4th XI to find at 9.00 on Friday evening that it has only ten players for the morrow's game, and that's when he might "reluctantly" get into the white outfit and bowl some offbreaks.

When he broached this subject to me, he was afraid that I'd be unhappy about it. Why would I be? It's what he does, and I wouldn't dream of stopping him from doing it.

 
Alfred E Neuman
1279559.  Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:48 am Reply with quote

So, the six words that save Lehmann from being dismissed were “What the fuck is going on?”, which was his response to the images of Bancroft sanding the ball. Fair enough.

I’m still predicting that he won’t be the coach for very much longer.

 
tetsabb
1279579.  Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:13 am Reply with quote

Oddly, they were probably the last words uttered by the mayors off Hiroshima and Nagasaki, just before they lost their jobs.
Except in Japanese.

 
crissdee
1279595.  Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:48 am Reply with quote

Also the guys guarding the Mohne Dam in 1942(?)

Except in German.

 

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