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Celine
1272066.  Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:36 am Reply with quote

The banana argument.

Created by Ray Comfort, a Christian creationist, he used the example of the banana to prove the theory of Intelligent Design aka God creating the world. According to Comfort, the banana was considered idyllic for human handling and consumption, boasting 'the banana and the hand are perfectly made one for the other', whilst 'Almighty God has made a non-slip surface'. He claimed that the banana was 'the Atheist's nightmare'.

However, Comfort was mistaken as the modern day banana is a genetically modified hybrid between the two older varieties of banana - Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana, which originally used to have seeds.

Indeed what he believed to be made by God was actually made by humans.

Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/24/ray-comforts-banana-argument_n_4847082.html
Original video of Banana Argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLqDGL1FSg
Historic/modern day bananas: https://www.sciencealert.com/fruits-vegetables-looked-before-domestication

 
cornixt
1272482.  Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:15 pm Reply with quote

That was always a really dumb argument to make, since you could take another food and point out the difficulty of getting it into edible form as evidence to the contrary.

 
Olinguito
1272493.  Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:03 pm Reply with quote

cornixt wrote:
That was always a really dumb argument to make, since you could take another food and point out the difficulty of getting it into edible form as evidence to the contrary.

That should get him out of his Comfort zone.

 
Spud McLaren
1272494.  Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:19 pm Reply with quote

Is the banana argument pseudoscience, though? It isn't an argument that falsely purports to be science-based; it looks more like anti-science to me.

 
Alexander Howard
1272536.  Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:22 am Reply with quote

Ever since the Enlightenment we have had people with ideas claiming to be scientific and basically saying "And you must believe me, because it is science.", which brooks no argument and overrides all moderation and morality.

Science is exact and dispassionate; it follows objective laws than no man may contradict. Claim that something is scientific and you may feel justified in dismissing all opposition or contrary facts, and eventually enough people will believe you.

Pseudoscientific ideas possibly outnumber real science. Mary Baker-Eddy's 'Christian science', phrenology, 'racial science', Marxism - apart from phrenology, generally you can read its influence by counting the corpses.

 
Celine
1272542.  Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:09 am Reply with quote

Spud McLaren wrote:
Is the banana argument pseudoscience, though? It isn't an argument that falsely purports to be science-based; it looks more like anti-science to me.


I would definitely argue that in that way, as pseudoscience can be identified by the random and inconsistent logic that is used to prove something. Comfort tries to support the theory of Intelligent Design, which Christians believe is 'a scientific theory' but is frequently discredited as pseudoscience.

 

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