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76498.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:18 am

 Quote: 111=7=seven

True. It's binary, isn't it?

:-)

Tas

 76504.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:30 am the symbol 7 is not the name of the symbol

76539.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:47 am

 mckeonj wrote: the symbol 7 is not the name of the symbol

It is not? So what's its name?

Allright, enough brain racking. Here goes:

When we read an English text containing the string 7, we will utter /‘sevn/. But with this utterance there also corresponds, in English, the string “seven“. So if the spoken utterance really is an utterance of 7, then it follows that 7=seven. But in a similar way we could argue that 7=sieben, where sieben is the German word for seven.
Ergo seven=sieben. Quod non.

“7“ as used in English written text and in German written text always realised the single word “7“. However, when we ‘pronounce’ it we substitute the pronunciation of a different, closely related, word, /‘sevn/ in English and /‘zi:bn/ in German.

Wasn't that hard, was it?

;) <- I won't ask, how to pronounce that one.

 76579.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:16 pm That's what I was saying earlier; that the integer 111 (binary) has been assigned to the symbol 7, and both the symbol and the number have the name 'seven'. As a continental person, do you cross your 7 ? I ask because that is a QI topic to be explored sometime.

76580.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:23 pm

 mckeonj wrote: That's what I was saying earlier; that the integer 111 (binary) has been assigned to the symbol 7, and both the symbol and the number have the name 'seven'. As a continental person, do you cross your 7 ? I ask because that is a QI topic to be explored sometime.

And yes, my 1 has a prominent hook, and I cross my 7. Nothing beats a good crossing, well, maybe a stoning.

76581.  Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:41 pm

Here is the relevant passage from Lewis Carroll's "Through the looking glass". Sorry about the formatting!

76616.  Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:56 am

 Hans Mof wrote: When we read an English text containing the string 7, we will utter /‘sevn/. But with this utterance there also corresponds, in English, the string “seven“. So if the spoken utterance really is an utterance of 7, then it follows that 7=seven. But in a similar way we could argue that 7=sieben, where sieben is the German word for seven. Ergo seven=sieben. Quod non. “7“ as used in English written text and in German written text always realised the single word “7“. However, when we ‘pronounce’ it we substitute the pronunciation of a different, closely related, word, /‘sevn/ in English and /‘zi:bn/ in German.

So all you're actually saying is that there's more than one way of "saying" the symbol 7, mainly because different languages have different words for the number we take it to represent?

 76620.  Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:55 am If all you are saying is that there is more than one word for the number which represented by the symbol '7', then your question isn't tricky at all. 7=Seven. True. The fact that 7 might = something else doesn't alter the truth of that statement. For instance, you could say: 7 = 5+2 That is true and is not made tricky by the fact that 7=6+1, or 7=3+4.

76623.  Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:03 am

 Saxmachine wrote: So all you're actually saying is that there's more than one way of "saying" the symbol 7, mainly because different languages have different words for the number we take it to represent?

If you want it that simple: Yes.

Here is a more complex explanation, allowing me to say ‘no‘.

‘7‘ is a logogram representing the word ‘seven‘. It is not a word in itself. Not being a word it can‘t be pronounced. When we say ‘seven‘ we substitute the symbol ‘7‘ with the word ‘seven‘. Another example:

:-)

Emoticons like this do have a meaning. Still, they can‘t be pronounced.Therefor, :-) and ‘7‘ are peculiar to writing, not to speach.

76625.  Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:15 am

 djgordy wrote: The fact that 7 might = something else doesn't alter the truth of that statement. For instance, you could say: 7 = 5+2 That is true and is not made tricky by the fact that 7=6+1, or 7=3+4.

Yes, but you're adding numbers not words.

'seven' = 'five plus two' false

 85243.  Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:10 am Sorry to dig this thread up again, but I just wanted to share this: 11+2=13 12+1=13 eleven plus two equals thirteen twelve plus one equals thirteen Both the numeric version and the written one are anagrams.

 85285.  Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:36 am eleven plus two = twelve plus one :-) Tas

 85288.  Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:43 am I never understood this thread.

 122684.  Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:39 pm Maybe 7={'seven','sieben','sept','zazpi','fitu','yedi',...} ? :)

123166.  Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:21 am

 Hans Mof wrote: ‘7‘ is a logogram representing the word ‘seven‘. It is not a word in itself. Not being a word it can‘t be pronounced. When we say ‘seven‘ we substitute the symbol ‘7‘ with the word ‘seven‘.

This is how Chinese works.

When I learned years ago that, although all Chinese dialects are written the same, they're mutually unintelligible when spoken, my bafflement was banished by the explanation that numerals work in exactly the same way - everybody in the world, practically, knows exactly what they mean, but each numeral has thousands of different names.

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