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14-11-2014
1214046.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:03 am Reply with quote

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Nissen is a New England company

Well spotted. I can recommend a "Brötchen" in Deutschland, but not a cloned "Duits broodje" in one of the low countries.

Canada and Germany may have exported the ingredients and/or a recipe, a more likely way to export such a product, but the name of the country has to be used to suggest the same quality.

Wikipedia (edited) wrote:
Sugar bread is especially associated with Friesland. Suikerbrood is usually flavored with cinnamon.

K. A real Fryske Sūkerbōle contains 60 per cent more sugar and is usually flavoured with cinnamon. The association is true, but sugar bread typically contains less sugar and no (or less) cinnamon. You'd want a Frisian sugar bread, a Sūkerbōle, and not a sugar bread clone which is associated with Friesland.


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'yorz
1214047.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:03 am Reply with quote

I sometimes long for the deep dark rather chewy breads that I could find in the UK. Perhaps I should seek out the more specialised proper bread shops/bakeries.

 
Efros
1214058.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:38 am Reply with quote

Generally the bread in America is made with low gluten wheat, or at least the product seems to indicate this. It has an incredible shelf life, not a bonus in my opinion, is very sweet, and forms a horrible glue like substance in your mouth when you chew it. What we do, is find one of the wholegrain breads and use that until we tire of it and then try something else. Currently we are on a wholewheat oatmeal loaf, which is not unpleasant. There are no artisanal (I hate that term) bakeries around here so we're pretty much stuck with what we can get at the supermarket or what we can make. I'm not a great baker but I will occasionally dig out our bread maker and produce something. Oh and bread is sodding expensive, a small loaf costs about $3.50-$5.00 depending on how "non standard" it is.

 
14-11-2014
1214060.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:42 am Reply with quote

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I don't know who Klaus is, but at least it's a source slightly less anonymous than just "Quote".

If a test is a thing, then Nickolas was a working what.

Unlike some other people I'd prefer to discuss relevant statements, regardless of a typically less relevant author, and unlike some other people I'm using quotes. Intentionally, obviously, because not quoting at all or not deleting the name is easier. In the past not quoting was a problem, quoting this way was (is, whatever bloats your float) is an issue, quoting with a name was yet another issue, using sources was a problem, and not mentioning sources was a problem. Insulting the eregular visitor barbados appears to be mandatory, but a German Klaus has to be evil. So AFAICT I'm the only reoccurring connection, and I've used Nick to confirmed that, and only my quoting appears to be a problem. Not other people leaving out names, and not people leaving out quotes. It's a decision, not a conclusion, that there's no right way.


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Efros
1214061.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:44 am Reply with quote

You need to lighten up man.

 
14-11-2014
1214064.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:51 am Reply with quote

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bread is sodding expensive, a small loaf costs about $3.50-$5.00 depending on how "non standard" it is.

I've noticed the 3.<something> of the Canadian bread, to the right of the date, and assume it's the price.

In general I don't like American baked products in Europe. Hotdogs, American pizzas, McDonald's. Often too large, and hardly any taste. I'm willing to consume a Whopper, the only exception I can think of right now.

 
14-11-2014
1214066.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:00 am Reply with quote

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You need to lighten up man.

Don't worry. I don't care, it's not my forum. I'll read less then 1% of all unfounded complaints, and I won't pretend that your message isn't clear because nobody will know who your "you" refers to. You can use "you", I cannot. That's a difference, by choice.

 
Efros
1214074.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:55 am Reply with quote

you just did.

 
PDR
1214081.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:26 am Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:

Unlike some other people I'd prefer to discuss relevant statements, regardless of a typically less relevant author [...]


I take your point (that you are responding to the point rather than its author) but I think you've misunderstood why people asked.

Some people want the "author" information to help them find the source of the quote and understand its context before responding. It's by no means unusual or specific to this forum, and nor is it difficult to achieve.

PDR

 
14-11-2014
1214139.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:58 pm Reply with quote

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If vegetarians don't actually need dietary supplements any more than meat eaters do, then I'm pleased to hear it.

Such a question cannot be answered with yes or no. I'ld like to avoid extremism (I, being open-minded, didn't even had a case), but even the Vegetarian Society doesn't ignore the possible B12 deficiency.

Vegetarian Society wrote:
Diets which exclude all animal products need to ensure that they obtain their recommended daily intake from fortified sources or supplements.

...

According to the British Nutrition Foundation, dietary deficiency is rare but it can sometimes occur in vegans who obtain virtually no B12 in their diet.

...

For people not eating any animal products, yeast extract and other fortified/supplemented foods such as breakfast cereals, soya milks, soya/veggie burgers, and vegetable margarines are all good sources.

If we assume that the Vegetarian Society is advocating a case, then the word recommended is important, and there's more than one provider of B12, including but not limited to supplements.

In general supplements aren't required, so the answer may be no. But I'm not sure what a veggie actually eats, so the answer can be yes. The word recommended is a save option, so the veggie has to answer the own yes/no question.

I have no reason to assume, believe nor think that the Vegetarian Society is wrong, dangerous or denying a B12 deficiency.

 
PDR
1214153.  Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:39 pm Reply with quote

The vegetarian diet can be a delicious, satisfying and completely balanced one with the addition of just one natural supplement:

Meat.

PDR

 
Efros
1215889.  Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:10 pm Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161208-why-vitamin-supplements-could-kill-you

Thought this was an interesting article.

 
RLDavies
1217938.  Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:05 am Reply with quote

Spud McLaren wrote:
Zziggy wrote:
--- being veg(itari)an is just cutting out the middleman.
True, I believe. Going back to B12, it is produced only by micro-organisms. So I suppose it depends on whether the "exploitation" of those micro-organisms fits one's definition of vegan, or not.

Only bacteria have the metabolic mechanisms required to produce B12. Animals absorb the vitamin as it's produced by bacteria in the gut. Humans have evolved to require more than their own bacteria produce, and so need to eat B12-containing foods, which for all practical purposes means meat.

B12 is the most chemically complex of all vitamins, and also needs a complex chain of reactions for the body to absorb and use it properly, so it's quite possible for someone to be B12-deficient even if they eat a complete and balanced diet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12

 
brunel
1217948.  Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:24 am Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
The vegetarian diet can be a delicious, satisfying and completely balanced one with the addition of just one natural supplement:

Meat.

PDR

Given your enthusiasm for bacon in particular, you will probably be distraught to hear that sales of meat, and bacon and sausages in particular, have been plummeting over the past year (down nearly £122 million on bacon and £51 million on sausages), whilst sales of fruit and vegetables have risen by around £176 million over the same period. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38406591

 
Efros
1217950.  Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:39 am Reply with quote

I wouldn't be distraught about it, falling sales usually would prompt competitive pricing, so cheaper bacon and bangers!

The detail in that piece is rather scant, also the report it refers to is I think a paid item from Neilsen, certainly the link goes to the Neilsen home page and there doesn't seem to be an easy link to it from there. The suggestion is that fruits and veggies increased by 176 million from Avocados, raspberries and blueberries, wouldn't surprise me, 3 of the most expensive fruits available!

 

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