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VikingBrain
1210238.  Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:15 am Reply with quote

Hi
Not sure what Sandy meant when she said Bluetooth was from Danmark.
I agreee Harald Bluetooth is danish, but the short link radio communication Bluetooth is swedish.

Regards
VikingBrain
Norwegian

 
14-11-2014
1210301.  Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:57 am Reply with quote

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the short link radio communication Bluetooth is swedish.

Only its legal owner is Swedish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaap_Haartsen

 
richard2468
1210882.  Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:02 am Reply with quote

Bluetooth was developed by a Dutch developer at Ericsson in Sweden... Nothing Danish here!

 
Dix
1210900.  Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:35 am Reply with quote

Bluetooth was a team effort and one of the team happened to be Dutch.
And someone else was reading about Vikings and thought it was a neat name.
It happens.
http://www.ericssonhistory.com/changing-the-world/Anecdotes/The-history-of-Bluetooth-/

But Harald Blåtand was Danish.

 
14-11-2014
1210940.  Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:09 pm Reply with quote

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Bluetooth was a team effort

Is there evidence to support that claim? It's what any company will claim.

cta.tech wrote:
The 2016 class of CT Hall of Fame inductees includes a range of creative and innovative individuals. Among them: inventors, business executives, a distributor, a retailer, and a journalist. The class also includes two teams who combined their individual efforts to make a lasting contribution to the consumer technology industry. Here’s the rundown:

...

Father of Bluetooth: Dr. Jaap Haartsen – Ericsson

...

the ubiquitous wireless technology was actually born in the summer of 1994 in Sweden from a single parent – Dr. Jaap Haartsen. As a result of his paternity, Haartsen has been dubbed "Mister Bluetooth" or the "Father of Bluetooth."

 
Rimbaudelaire
1212599.  Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:46 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
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Bluetooth was a team effort

Is there evidence to support that claim? It's what any company will claim.


Perhaps because it usually is? Hate to say it, but sometimes Wikipedia is your friend.

"The development of the "short-link" radio technology, later named Bluetooth, was initiated in 1989 by Dr. Nils Rydbeck, CTO at Ericsson Mobile in Lund, Sweden, and by Dr. Johan Ullman. The purpose was to develop wireless headsets, according to two inventions by Johan Ullman, SE 8902098-6, issued 1989-06-12 and SE 9202239, issued 1992-07-24. Nils Rydbeck tasked Tord Wingren with specifying and Jaap Haartsen and Sven Mattisson with developing. Both were working for Ericsson in Lund.[9] The specification is based on frequency-hopping spread spectrum technology."

There you have at least one other developer by name (a developer who is similarly credited as "the inventor of bluetooth" in various articles and interviews, as if making something out to be a team effort diminishes the efforts and accomplishments of people).

Even if Mr. Haartsen had been the sole credited developer of Bluetooth in this case, it obviously still wouldn't have been a solo effort.

The Swedish wiki page gives further credit to IBM, Toshiba, Nokia and Intel - although their contributions to the standard may well have come later.

Also baffles me somewhat that there was no mention at all of Sweden in the whole episode. It is to be expected that it would be focused on Denmark, of course, but still!

I also believe Sandi credited Harald Blåtand with uniting Denmark, Norway and Sweden, which would also be erroneous. This wasn't done until the relatively short-lived Kalmar Union, about 400 years later, with Queen Margareta acting as its first regent. Bluetooth did unite Norway and Denmark (which at the time, and long after, included the now Swedish territories of Halland and Scania).

 
14-11-2014
1212671.  Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:21 pm Reply with quote

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sometimes Wikipedia is your friend.

The Consumer Technology Asscociation's Hall of Fame, based on research, will be is a better source than websites. They don't want to honour the wrong guy. Or, granted, some guy representing a team. His entry, according to the press release, is "Father of Bluetooth: Dr. Jaap Haartsen – Ericsson".

In this case the CTA is my virtual friend. Dunno which two people represented two winning teams, but they still call him the father.

 
crissdee
1212795.  Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:40 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
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sometimes Wikipedia is your friend.

The Consumer Technology Asscociation's Hall of Fame, based on research, will be is a better source than websites.



Did you go to this place, shuffle through their filing cabinets to find the information, transcribe it onto a notepad, then go home to copy it in to a post. or did you consult ........a website?

Also, for the love of (any deity that comes to hand), will you please use the quote function so we know who you're quoting without a search? It's actually easier to just use the quote button than whatever it is you're doing.

 
'yorz
1212801.  Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:02 pm Reply with quote

Don't hold your breath, criss - I have already asked so may times.

 
Rimbaudelaire
1212919.  Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:24 am Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
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sometimes Wikipedia is your friend.

The Consumer Technology Asscociation's Hall of Fame, based on research, will be is a better source than websites. They don't want to honour the wrong guy. Or, granted, some guy representing a team. His entry, according to the press release, is "Father of Bluetooth: Dr. Jaap Haartsen – Ericsson".

In this case the CTA is my virtual friend. Dunno which two people represented two winning teams, but they still call him the father.


And the people mentioned within my quotes have been similarly named by organisations who wouldn't want to honour the wrong guy either. Just because Robert Boyle can be referred to as the founder of modern chemistry doesn't nullify the claims of Anton Levoisier, John Dalton or Jöns Jacob Berzelius. Just because Tim Berners-Lee is often credited with inventing the world wide web doesn't mean he did it on his own, in his basement.

Whether you choose to ignore all the people who laid the foundation to the research, those who helped Haartsen with development, and those who put him in position to succeed in the first place, as well as the country development was carried out in, and the origin of the company for whom it was, and hence take a hardline "Bluetooth is Dutch" stance; you're still agreeing with the OP that QI got it wrong in referring to it as a Danish effort (though there may very well have been brilliant Danish people involved in it, and Lund was Danish until 1658).

 
fnordsensei
1216975.  Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:14 pm Reply with quote

It seems to me that the research was initiated in Lund by Nils Rydbeck and Johan Ullman (who was also signed on the subsequent patents). The technology was then indeed refined by Jaap Haartsen amongst others. Either way, seeing as the effort was initiated and developed within Ericsson, a Swedish company, and in Lund, a Swedish city, it's not obvious how it could be considered a Danish invention.

From Wikipedia:
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The development of the "short-link" radio technology, later named Bluetooth, was initiated in 1989 by Nils Rydbeck, CTO at Ericsson Mobile in Lund, Sweden, and by Johan Ullman. The purpose was to develop wireless headsets, according to two inventions by Johan Ullman, SE 8902098-6, issued 1989-06-12 and SE 9202239, issued 1992-07-24. Nils Rydbeck tasked Tord Wingren with specifying and Jaap Haartsen and Sven Mattisson with developing. Both were working for Ericsson in Lund.[9] The specification is based on frequency-hopping spread spectrum technology.

 
14-11-2014
1222515.  Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:12 am Reply with quote

The Father of Wi-Fi is Dutch too, also with a foreign owner of the team (Vic Hayes, NCR).

 

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