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dr.bob
1361318.  Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:29 am Reply with quote

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42. Which brings us onto Brexit: and Boris Johnsonís oven-ready deal has skipped the middle-man and gone straight into the toilet


Priceless!! :)

 
Efros
1361406.  Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:08 am Reply with quote

 
dr.bob
1361552.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:39 am Reply with quote

An interesting article from Full Fact about the "Australia-style deal".

They point out that, although Australia currently has no free trade agreement with the EU*, it does have what's called a " Mutual Recognition Agreement (MRA)". This means that both sides recognise the authority of each others' testing bodies. In practical terms, this ensures that any goods that are certified in Australia as complying with EU regulations don't need to be retested locally when they arrive in the EU.

If the UK were to fail to come to any agreement by the end of the year and walk away with no deal, we wouldn't even have that. So we would actually end up in a slightly worse position than Australia with regards to our trade with the EU.


* Though it is actively negotiating to try and get one

 
barbados
1361569.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:09 am Reply with quote

Playing the devilís advocate here, but how would the EU (or anyone for that matter) justify not accepting the authority of a testing body tomorrow that is acceptable today?

 
PDR
1361575.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:23 am Reply with quote

By simple matter of regulation, and by virtue of having no right of access to the accreditation and certification data.

Remember that we will be doing exactly the same to them. And it's unlikely to change, because it would require the Glorious Leader to accept an authority that wasn't run by one of his cronies (ie an accredited european certfication house), and he has made it clear that he can't do that ever because it would risk losing all his racist brexiter support leaving him with a total of three votes in the next election.

PDR

 
CB27
1361590.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:20 am Reply with quote

It's all very well saying "why can't we trust them" or "why can't they trust us", but it's not about just Governments trusting each other, it's about consumers trusting them and, equally importantly for retailers, whether insurers trust them.

Tariff barriers aside, product standards, sanitary checks, safety regulations and others all come with viable recourse for retailers if they receive goods which fail British standards or need to be recalled because of a fault. It means retailers can offset some of the cost and liability to the supplier. Without a trade agreement in place, what is the legal position of these retailers, and the likely delays.

Then there's the safety aspect for consumers. If goods manufactured in the EU are recalled because of a new EU regulation which is not covered by British regulation, are retailers obliged to contact all customers and recall these goods?

And because certifications need to be checked more thoroughly in customs as opposed to being checked at dispatch, this can also cause delays that could affect costs.

 
dr.bob
1361591.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:30 am Reply with quote

barbados wrote:
Playing the devilís advocate here, but how would the EU (or anyone for that matter) justify not accepting the authority of a testing body tomorrow that is acceptable today?


Probably because there would cease to be any legal redress if things went pear-shaped as soon as there is no treaty in place.

 
CB27
1361600.  Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:30 pm Reply with quote

OK, I just happened to say it with more words... :p

 
dr.bob
1361817.  Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:19 am Reply with quote

Sorry, I should've read to the bottom of the thread before replying :)

 
CB27
1362210.  Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:28 pm Reply with quote

Looks like the Department for International Trade (DIT) is taking it's cue from Boris, Trump and the types of politicians who love jump on some popular bandwagon to brag about themselves using blatant lies.

This time it was the British Bake Off, which is having a Japanese week, and DIT decided to jump on the popularity and tweet that their deal with Japan will mean Soy sauce will be cheaper from next year.

Several issues with this.

A significant portion of the soy sauce you see in the shops doesn't come from Japan, so won't be affected.

The deal with Japan is not that different from the deal the EU had with Japan, so the price of soy cause won't really change from what it is now. What WILL change is that if we left the EU and went on WTO trade agreements we would be paying higher tariffs for soy sauce from Japan.

What they should have said is "We've spent lots of resources, time and money negotiating a trade deal to replace the one we were already part of, so that some soy sauce will continue to be the same price as it is today, while others may go up in price."

 
tetsabb
1362229.  Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:39 pm Reply with quote

I saw something about this elsewhere, and it pointed out that a lot of soy sauce sold in the UK comes from the Netherlands, currently under no tariff, but soon to be subject to tariff, whatever the deal.

 
Willie
1362233.  Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:18 pm Reply with quote

tetsabb wrote:
I saw something about this elsewhere, and it pointed out that a lot of soy sauce sold in the UK comes from the Netherlands, currently under no tariff, but soon to be subject to tariff, whatever the deal.


A large proportion of the Soy sauce used in the UK is made in China, which will mean slightly lower tarrifs under Brexit, but the fall in the value of the pound since the vote has way more than wiped out that saving.

 
suze
1362253.  Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:39 pm Reply with quote

What with being away I missed this story earlier in the day, but I've just been reading about it.

Britain's two best selling brands of soy sauce are, as noted, manufactured in the Netherlands for the UK market. In a best case scenario, their prices will stay the same.

There is no tariff on the importation of finished soy sauce from Japan to the EU in any case - so in a best case scenario, the price of brands imported from there will stay the same.

Other brands are made in China (including Hong Kong). It's probably not wise to assume anything about future trade between Britain and China, and a fair proportion of the British population now won't buy anything that they know to come from China in any case.

Some cheaper brands, including supermarket own brands, are made at one of two factories in South Wales. The wheat, water, salt, and yeast that go into those brands are British, but the UK does not as yet grow soya beans on the necessary scale so these are imported, mostly from Brazil. There is no tariff on the importation of soya beans from Brazil to the EU - so in a best case scenario their price will stay the same, and so will the price of the finished soy sauces.

The phrase "a swing and a miss" comes to mind.

 
CB27
1362434.  Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm Reply with quote

I would say even more than a miss, because they're essentially crowing about something where the price isn't going to change after Brexit, which means we've spent a lot of money on exiting the EU, had our currency drop, and created a lot of political and civil unrest because of this.

I'm getting flashes of "Yes Minister" in my mind...

 
Prof Wind Up Merchant
1362787.  Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:25 am Reply with quote

Efros wrote:


Oven ready Brexit? It is all a lie.

 

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