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QualifiedIntermediary
1164603.  Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:47 pm Reply with quote

Qualified Intermediary (2015. Hopefully I posted this in the right place and it makes sense. .)

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Think for a moment and answer this question.

Do you know anyone that has a photographic memory? A brother, sister, aunt, or uncle? A friend perhaps?





Do you have your answer?






If you answered yes, then you would be wrong. Nobody has a photographic memory.

The only real, and real in a sense that it is more or less not real, documented case to the powers of a photographic memory is in a 1970 study conducted by Harvard scientist Charles Stromeyer III. The study involved a Harvard student named Elizabeth. In the study Stromeyer showed Elizabeth's left eye a set of 10,000 dots one day and another day he showed her right eye a second set of 10,000 dots. After seeing those two images Elizabeth fused together to form an autostereogram , a single-image stereogram crafted to give the illusion of a three-dimensional view from a two-dimensional image akin to the popular "Magic-Eye Images"* ,which Stromeyer used, with other findings, to publish his study in the journal Nature.

However the case of Elizabeth has often met with skepticism. A number of factors have cast doubt on the validity of her memory abilities. They include that methods used in testing procedures could be considered questionable, the fact Stromeyer married Elizabeth shortly after the study, that the tests have never been repeated as Elizabeth has consistently refused to repeat them, and the list goes on. Elizabeth has still maintained that she has memory abilities that she exhibited in the 1970 study.

It is possible that the people you know to have a photographic memory ,or at least claim to have it, have one of several forms of what is known as exceptional memory; Although it should be said that only a small number of people truly have one of these forms.

They include:
-Hyperthymesia: A condition shown by exceptional autobiographical memory regarding stories and events in people's lifetimes. With a notable case involving a woman , Jill Price, known as AJ in the scientific world who had the ability to recall, in great detail, every day of her life from when she was 14 years old.

-Eidetic (eye-deh-tik) memory: A condition , mostly closely associated with the popular belief of photographic memory, marked by the ability to recall images, sounds, or objects within memory with only a few instances of brief exposure with high precision for some time after the exposure. This condition is almost exclusively seen in those in early childhood with only around 2 - 10% of the age group with the condition, not connected with an individual's intelligence, and is often lost if not nurtured. Few adults are known to have it with reported examples, including Nikola Tesla, Leonardo da Vinci, John von Neumann, and Elizabeth to name a few.

-Mnemonists: Referring to those who have the peculiar ability to remember long lists of info, including numbers, names, places, etc. Often those referred to as mnemonists used a technique of a mnemonic device. A mnemonic device is a memory aid used to help the person remember and recall information and are usually verbal such as a specific phrase, word , and/or word association that the individual is familiar with.

-Savants: Savants are those who have mental disabilities, but exhibit profound capabilities within the far reaches of what would be considered normal. Notable cases include Stephen Wiltshire, British architectural artist with autism who is known for his ability to draw from memory a landscape after seeing it just once, and Kim Peek who was an American megasavant born with macrocephaly (abnormally large head) who was the inspiration for the character Raymond Babbitt in the 1988 movie Rain Man.

Most people you will meet that exhibit memory abilities that seem to be photographic in quality more than likely just have really good memories.

Don't delude yourself or others into thinking that you or someone else has a photographic memory.


I am saying this because I personally thought I might have some sort of semi-photographic memory as I see myself as being able to remember details and events akin to hyperthymesia. I am not saying I have hyperthymesia. I am not a scientist. I learned about it fairly recently. I am stating this after the fact.

I think that was everything I wanted to discuss.

Feel free to tell me what you think. Please start with the positives and then go onto what I can improve upon. I know that I am likely to have made some errors so please lower your pitchforks and torches. Also please tell me if I posted this in the wrong forum. I can always copy paste with an additional message.

Could this be used in an episode of Qi? I know we are on the M-series and as far as I know there hasn't been a "Memory" episode. Maybe? I might be being a bit too ambitious but one can dream.

Thank you and I hope you have a great day.


*Those images still annoy me every time I look at them. How do you look past the picture? I cannot see the spaceship. How does anyone see the spaceship?



Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptional_memory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_possess_an_eidetic_memory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/i-developed-what-appears-to-be-a-ph/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2006/04/kaavya_syndrome.single.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v225/n5230/abs/225346a0.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostereogram

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mental-imagery/quasi-perceptual.html

http://www.medicaldaily.com/photographic-memory-hoax-science-has-never-proven-its-real-so-why-do-we-keeping-acting-it-286984

http://www.alphadictionary.com/goodword/word/eidetic

https://books.google.com/books?id=eJfXkj56H0kC&pg=PA434&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Leonardo&f=false

http://membercentral.aaas.org/blogs/scientia/brilliant-and-tortured-world-nikola-tesla

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2319080?origin=crossref&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Wiltshire


Further Reading + Personal Notes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8501434?dopt=Citation
(I wanted to use this in my essay but I actually forgot about it and had completed the essay by the time I remembered.)


http://en.chessbase.com/post/adriaan-de-groot-che-psychologist-1914-2006-
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http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2006/november-06/in-memoriam-adriaan-dingeman-de-groot-1914-2006.html
(I was going to do a topic on de Groot and his famous chess experiments but I forgot about that too. Too many things at once.)


Last edited by QualifiedIntermediary on Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:27 pm; edited 3 times in total

 
Posital
1164786.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:42 pm Reply with quote

If you read the agreement when signing up - you wouldn't mention the word plagiarize.

Anyway - it's interesting, and welcome to the forums... and I think the topic gives the guests a grand opportunity to make fools of themselves. Although I think something similar might have already been done.

BTW: The signatures on posts was disabled a while ago.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1164802.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:14 pm Reply with quote

Posital wrote:
If you read the agreement when signing up - you wouldn't mention the word plagiarize.

Anyway - it's interesting, and welcome to the forums... and I think the topic gives the guests a grand opportunity to make fools of themselves. Although I think something similar might have already been done.

BTW: The signatures on posts was disabled a while ago.


Ah. I removed anything involving the word plagiarize. I must have forgotten about that part in the agreement. My mistake. I'm typically very protective of things I make. I apologize.

Thank you for your welcome it is greatly appreciated.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe what you are referring to when you say "something similar might have already been done" you are referring to the topic of photographic memory and I did do a search in the Qi forums and I couldn't find anything really close to my post.

Thank you for telling me about the signature. I had a joke in there and am a bit sad that I can't make the joke. If you want to know I wrote in the signature something along the lines of "I hate cliches" and if you read my profile you can see wherein the joke lies.

Also just to make sure I am doing this right. When I want to reply to someone directly do I quote them in my reply or just type a reply? I know it might be a dumb questions but I don't want to come off as rude or anything. Still new here.

 
Spud McLaren
1164804.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:19 pm Reply with quote

Best to quote the bit you're replying to in case someone flicks in a ninja post inbetween. Some of the threads have multiple conversations going and it can get rather confusing.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1164811.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:32 pm Reply with quote

Spud McLaren wrote:
Best to quote the bit you're replying to in case someone flicks in a ninja post inbetween.


Ah Thank you. I will make sure to do that.

Would this be the only place I could post my writing on photographic memory? I know there is an essay submission forum but it says it is for prospective elves and I don't want to cause any issues.

I would like to see if I might be able to get this topic onto an episode. I know I am being ambitious and hopefully I am not coming off as overbearing or overly-confident. I probably am and I apologize if am so.

Hopefully I didn't overwhelm you with this. I get excited about things sometimes. Do you think I could go somewhere with this or is it not worth trying?

 
Spud McLaren
1164813.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:37 pm Reply with quote

QualifiedIntermediary wrote:
I know there is an essay submission forum but it says it is for prospective elves and I don't want to cause any issues.
Not being an elf, err, mys-elf, I don't actually know, but quite a few mere mortal forummers have submitted essays. Either the title is a bit tongue-in-cheek, or it's saying that you never know, there might be an outside chance...

Anyway, the bits of the site that are strictly for elves are concealed to mere members and need special rune-words spoken by moonlight to gain access.

 
suze
1164821.  Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:24 pm Reply with quote

Spud McLaren wrote:
Not being an elf, err, mys-elf, I don't actually know, but quite a few mere mortal forummers have submitted essays. Either the title is a bit tongue-in-cheek, or it's saying that you never know, there might be an outside chance...


All of the above.

There are at least four grades of Elf. It is not possible to apply - just like the secret service in days of yore, they ask you - but people absolutely have been asked to join the Elfhood on the strength of contributions to these forums.

I can't say any more than that or they'd cut my pointy ear off, but this page gives an idea of what they're after in the Essay Submissions forum.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1164991.  Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:56 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Spud McLaren wrote:
Not being an elf, err, mys-elf, I don't actually know, but quite a few mere mortal forummers have submitted essays. Either the title is a bit tongue-in-cheek, or it's saying that you never know, there might be an outside chance...


All of the above.

There are at least four grades of Elf. It is not possible to apply - just like the secret service in days of yore, they ask you - but people absolutely have been asked to join the Elfhood on the strength of contributions to these forums.

I can't say any more than that or they'd cut my pointy ear off, but this page gives an idea of what they're after in the Essay Submissions forum.



Thank you. I will reformat my essay and submit it to the Essay Submissions forums. I think I might also post my essay to the General Ignorance forum and maybe the Quite Interestings forum. What do you think about that?

I think that might be spamming so I want to see what others think before I do that.

 
swot
1165007.  Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:32 pm Reply with quote

Best to keep it just to this forum and the essay if you want to change it slightly. There's no need to put the same thread in multiple places.

I like keeness.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1165012.  Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:43 pm Reply with quote

swot wrote:
Best to keep it just to this forum and the essay if you want to change it slightly. There's no need to put the same thread in multiple places.

I like keeness.


Sounds good. I'll keep it to this forum and the essay submissions. I have made some changes to the essay but they aren't really major. I am going to add them to this post as I am liking a lot of the changes.

As of now I haven't posted the essay yet but I will soon.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1165018.  Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:29 pm Reply with quote

I posted the essay and made changes to this post. Please tell me what you guys think.

 
crissdee
1165044.  Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:37 am Reply with quote

Going back to the OP. I have heard before of people who claim to remember every detail of their life. Unless they are someone whose life has been extensively documented, how can they prove it? I could tell you what I was doing on 18th June 1976, but as long as I didn't claim to have punched the Queen or something, who could gainsay me?

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1165214.  Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:50 pm Reply with quote

crissdee wrote:
Going back to the OP. I have heard before of people who claim to remember every detail of their life. Unless they are someone whose life has been extensively documented, how can they prove it? I could tell you what I was doing on 18th June 1976, but as long as I didn't claim to have punched the Queen or something, who could gainsay me?


She seems to have the ability to remember specific events, both minor and major, that happened on specific dates as well as what day of the week each day was. I'm a bit skeptical but I won't say that I don't believe her or that I do believe her. She's listed because of her significance in the scientific world and her being the first documented case of hyperthymesia.


http://www.wired.com/2009/03/ff-perfectmemory/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90596530

Hopefully I answered your question.

 
QualifiedIntermediary
1165493.  Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:33 pm Reply with quote

I added some further reading if anyone is interested in looking into topics I considered putting into the essay but didn't get in.

 
Xanthic1600
1165859.  Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:34 pm Reply with quote

Having just watched the 29th December edition of the program about memory where they mentioned the best way to get a good result at multiple choice exam questions.
Many (sadly many many) years ago I was sitting a GCSE in Economics, and having played the fool through two years of education in this subject I was woefully unprepared for the exam.
It was a 100 question multiple choice test and I decided to write my name in "dot to dot" format down the first line, a giraffe in the second and a winding snake in the third. Three minutes into the exam I got up and left.

In my class was a very intelligent young man who got 9 A*s and one A in 10 GCSE's the A came in Economics.

I got a certificate for getting the highest result in the whole year with 97%

I did not know Adam that well before (we moved in different circles) but we remain in contact now and the fact I beat him is raised occasionally :)

So in my mind, the best way to pass a multiple choice test is to doodle on the answer sheet.

I still have the certificate from the exam board in my loft, and still don't really understand what supply and demand curves are for.

 

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