View previous topic | View next topic

National

Page 1 of 2
Goto page 1, 2  Next

14-11-2014
1141860.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:27 am Reply with quote

Germany has no official national anthem.

Albeit there are letters, there is no official document nor official law to define what the German national anthem is.


Last edited by 14-11-2014 on Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:15 am; edited 1 time in total

 
suze
1141959.  Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:47 am Reply with quote

You're entirely correct in stating that there is no German statute which specifies the national anthem. But in fact, do very many of the older nations have any such statute?

The UK doesn't, and it's only by custom and practice that God save the Queen is understood to be the national anthem. As far as I can tell, the situation in France is similar. Contrast with Canada, where the National Anthem Act 1980 makes explicit that O Canada is the national anthem.

As I'm understanding it, the convention in Germany is that the President has the right to declare the "symbols of the state", and that he doesn't need statute law or permission from parliament to do so. If the President were to decide that henceforth the flag of Germany were to be the Jolly Roger then it would be so, although thus far no President has chosen to go down that road.

There was an exchange of letters between Chancellor Adenauer and President Heuss in 1952 in which the President stated that Deutschlandlied should be considered as the national anthem. President Heuss also went out of his way to note that the Horst-Wessel-Lied, which had been used as the national anthem under the Nazis, was shite.

Those letters. Unsurprisingly, they are in German

After reunification in 1990, Chancellor Kohl and President von Weizsäcker had a similar exchange of letters to make it plain that only the the third verse should be sung.

 
Alexander Howard
1143141.  Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:29 pm Reply with quote

They should have chosen the second verse:

"Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang"

 
AlmondFacialBar
1144446.  Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:01 am Reply with quote

In actual fact the Third Stanza is the German national anthem according to the German constitutional court judgement BVerfGE 81, 298 from 7th March, 1990 which concerned itself with the interpretation of § 90a Abs. 1 Nr. 2 StGB, the paragraph of the German criminal code that specifies the abuse of national symbols:

http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv081298.html

Hence Germany does have an official national anthem under the law. Sir would appear to be a little behind the times there...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Alfred E Neuman
1144451.  Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:44 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
Sir would appear to be a little behind the times there...


Only 25 years...

 
14-11-2014
1148090.  Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:23 am Reply with quote



One can visit the National Basilique du Sacré-Coeur in Brussels.



One can visit the Basilica of the Sacred Heart, a mother church of the Congregation of Holy Cross, in Notre Dame.

 
Ian Dunn
1165101.  Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:25 pm Reply with quote

France's "National Bathtub" was the river Loire. It was a nickname given to it by revolutionary Jean-Baptiste Carrier, who was responsible for killing thousands of people in Nantes during the Terror by drowning them in the river. Anyone suspected of not supporting the revolution, members of the Catholic clergy in particular, was a victim of Carrier's drownings, between November 1793 and February 1974. Carrier himself was later guillotined on 16 December 1794.

Wikipedia: Drownings at Nantes

 
Alexander Howard
1165341.  Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:20 pm Reply with quote

Ian Dunn wrote:
France's "National Bathtub" was the river Loire. It was a nickname given to it by revolutionary Jean-Baptiste Carrier, who was responsible for killing thousands of people in Nantes during the Terror by drowning them in the river. Anyone suspected of not supporting the revolution, members of the Catholic clergy in particular, was a victim of Carrier's drownings, between November 1793 and February 1974. Carrier himself was later guillotined on 16 December 1794.

Wikipedia: Drownings at Nantes


The destruction of the Vendée was a brutal genocide, and it is somehow wiped from our collective memory and excised from history books, possibly as it is an embarrassment to the heroic view of the French Revolution. There is a harrowing description from original sources in John Marsh's 'The Liberal Delusion'.

 
Jaromil
1181347.  Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:12 am Reply with quote

I've just found out that whereas most countries go with unimaginative variations on "courage, brotherhood and prosperity", Botswana's national motto is "rain".

 
Alfred E Neuman
1181473.  Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:18 pm Reply with quote

In a way, that does equate to prosperity in a country with a lot of desert. Which might be why their currency is also 'Pula' (Tswana for 'rain').

 
Jaromil
1181835.  Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:42 pm Reply with quote

Well, either that, or Tswana simply has very few words.

 
Flanners86
1182308.  Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:22 am Reply with quote

They might just be massive Status Quo fans...

 
Alexander Howard
1182684.  Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:03 am Reply with quote

Alfred E Neuman wrote:
In a way, that does equate to prosperity in a country with a lot of desert. Which might be why their currency is also 'Pula' (Tswana for 'rain').


The motto is actually 'Pula' too.

My Setswana may be very limited, but isn't a better translation in context "Living Water"? That is a Biblical reference that would be well understood in the parched lands of the Batswana. ('Wrongipedia' has it as "good luck", and even that site gets things right on occasion.)

 
Alfred E Neuman
1183222.  Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:53 pm Reply with quote

Alexander Howard wrote:
My Setswana may be very limited


Mine is pretty much non-existent (other than having googled 'Pula' :-)

 
14-11-2014
1192216.  Mon May 16, 2016 7:43 pm Reply with quote



Q: series N, the tulip is the national flower of the ...
K: Netherlands
A: Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
A: Islamic Republic of Iran

 

Page 1 of 2
Goto page 1, 2  Next

All times are GMT - 5 Hours


Display posts from previous:   

Search Search Forums

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group