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AlmondFacialBar
1143394.  Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:51 am Reply with quote

I remember seeing it as an ornament on Roman dishes from the First Century CE.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Alexander Howard
1143431.  Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:57 pm Reply with quote

From www.ccg.org, written by John O. Reid, Dec. 1994:

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There is additional proof that Jesus was born in the fall of the year. The census of Quirinius that required Joseph to travel from Galilee to Bethlehem would most probably have taken place after the fall harvest when people were more able to return to their ancestral homes (Luke 2:1-5). Besides, it was customary in Judea to do their tax collecting during this period, as the bulk of a farmer's income came at this time.

Another point is that Joseph and Mary had to find shelter in a barn or some other kind of animal shelter like a cave or grotto because the inns were full. This indicates that the pilgrims from around the world had begun to arrive in Jerusalem and surrounding towns. Thus, the fall festival season had already commenced. There would have been no similar influx of pilgrims in December.
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A Roman census / tax collection did not happen all in one month. As for finding shelter in a "barn or other animal shelter", there is no mention of a stable in the Gospel account, no ox nor ass: it just refers to a manger, which could be brought into the family house.

There is no mention of an inn either in the usual sense (and no archaeological evidence of their having been a commercial inn in Bethlehem) - the Greek word refers to the formal part of a house.

We go wrong when we theorise based on the nursery school nativity play, not on the actual text.

 
Alfred E Neuman
1143445.  Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:41 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
I remember seeing it as an ornament on Roman dishes from the First Century CE.


That's impressive. I can barely remember the '60s :-)

 
PDR
1143450.  Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:25 am Reply with quote

For me the most unacceptable thing is the way Christians have hijacked british traditions that go back over a thousand years, like watching Great Escape and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang on Xmas day.

PDR

 
14-11-2014
1144286.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:34 pm Reply with quote

The global success of German, low-end discount supermarket chains like Aldi and Lidl is based on the post-Nazi economy and the derived habit of having to save money. They are the experts, because of their own experiences.

Sp perhaps specialised Greek discount supermarket chains will invade Europe in the 70s of this century, unless our economy is booming.

In Germany the conservative culture is far more important than the fact that Aldi was founded in 1946. The Germs aren't always looking for quality. German consumers still like to save money, depending on the type of product.

 
14-11-2014
1144292.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:48 pm Reply with quote

Posital wrote:
14-11-2014 wrote:
Not winning WWII was more important for the success of Volkswagen than the nazis and their Automobil für Jedermann-propaganda.
It's easy to say in hindsight.

Yes, it 's easier than translating the underlying research reports in German. Sometimes it's easy to say that something is easy to say...

Perhaps it's more important that it's a myth that the Nazis made cars popular. I think I did mention one of the issues, fuel was too expensive. Another fact is that the quality of German cars was improved since 1945. The concepts and the propaganda of the Nazis didn't work. Nobody wants cheap German cars, a Nazi concept, no matter what the costs of fuel are.

Anyway, Volkswagen is not a Nazi-brand. They did produce weapons too, but they have always reported a loss. The Nazis weren't a blessing in disguise for Volkswagen. Not even during WWII. Getting rid of 'em was.

 
Zziggy
1144294.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:53 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
Posital wrote:
14-11-2014 wrote:
Not winning WWII was more important for the success of Volkswagen than the nazis and their Automobil für Jedermann-propaganda.
It's easy to say in hindsight.

Yes, it 's easier than translating the underlying research reports in German. Sometimes it's easy to say that something is easy to say...

That's easy for you to say.

 
Zziggy
1144295.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:58 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
Anyway, Volkswagen is not a Nazi-brand.

Hmm.

*looks up "Volkswagen" on Wikipedia*

Quote:
Volkswagen was originally created in 1937 by the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront).

*looks up "German Labour Front" on Wikipedia*

Flag of the DAF:



Quote:
The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF) was the National Socialist trade union organization which replaced the various trade unions of the Weimar Republic after Adolf Hitler's rise to power.

I dunno, it seems pretty darn Nazi to me ...

 
Posital
1144300.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:22 pm Reply with quote

Nope they're more japanese - just look at that flag...


Soz - just doing my research...

 
14-11-2014
1144303.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:34 pm Reply with quote

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German discount supermarket chains

In an Eurozone-country without €0.01 and €0.02 coins the Germans supermarket chains may still use those coins.

Normally prices are rounded up or down (range 8-2 -> 0, range 3-7 -> 5), and the Central Bank will be eliminating the circulation of 1c and 2c coins.

The coins are probably used to suggest that the supermarket sells cheap products and that each €0.01 does matter.

 
Posital
1144307.  Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:16 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
Posital wrote:
14-11-2014 wrote:
Not winning WWII was more important for the success of Volkswagen than the nazis and their Automobil für Jedermann-propaganda.
It's easy to say in hindsight.
Yes, it 's easier than translating the underlying research reports in German. Sometimes it's easy to say that something is easy to say...
Translating stuff is a bind - it's easier to just read german without translation I'd have thought...

While these alleged learn-ed german papers that you're struggling with may have a point, there is no way a learn-ed paper can say exactly what would happen if "not winning" hadn't happened.

So where I say "that's easy to say", I'm also saying that it's not so easy to prove.

If the nazis had "won the war" I suspect we would be natively reading research that would say that the success of the VolksWagen was due to the superiority of the arian ubermensch and the crushing of the weak jewish sympathisers.

Which would equally be complete tosh.

Thus I suppose I'm also saying that the assertion you provided is also war propaganda in its own way.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1144442.  Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:40 am Reply with quote

VW was funded in 1937 to produce the KdF-Wagen, known to the rest of the world as the Beetle. The original production plant in Wolfsburg was built by forced labourers, and they're very open about that, showing the parts of it that still exist on their guided tours. They were also among the first German companies to pay those labourers or their surviving descendants compensation. It's thus not exactly a secret that they were originally a Nazi company, so WTF?

As for the German discounters - the reason why they're successful is that they offer superior quality to the established supermarkets' discount brands. Check comparative reviews between Aldi and Tesco Value, or Asda, or whichever shite generic brand stuff you prefer. We like good value for our hard-earned, not cheap shite, that's the whole point.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
14-11-2014
1144863.  Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:25 pm Reply with quote

swanbarly (post 584144) wrote:
soup wrote:
I have heard of 88 (HH: Heil Hitler)

After all, you admit that you know yourself what 88 means to a fascist.

Heinrich Himmler?

Adolf Hitler was not a fascist, according to Sebastian Haffner's Anmerkungen zu Hitler, München, 1978 and a German dictionary (Faschismus, in Meyers Großes Taschenlexicon, part 7, Mannheim, 1992).

Haffner, Google-translated twice wrote:
Nothing is more deceptive than to call Hitler a fascist.

German dictionary, Google-translated twice wrote:
a dominant man of the upper classes, by cleverly playing the masses

Google-translated twice wrote:
Hitler's objectives and methodology were closer to those of Stalin than those of Mussolini, and Nazi ideology propagerede almost the opposite of the typical fascist ideal of a society with a strict hierarchy, based on social classes.

By the way, of course there also was the terror of the N-themed NN, Nacht und Nebel. 88, HH, NN, SS...


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Zziggy
1144864.  Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:31 pm Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
swanbarly wrote:
soup wrote:
I have heard of 88 (HH: Heil Hitler)

After all, you admit that you know yourself what 88 means to a fascist.

Heinrich Himmler?

... who and what are you quoting here, cos it ain't this thread ...

 
14-11-2014
1144871.  Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:41 pm Reply with quote

Zziggy wrote:
... who and what are you quoting here, cos it ain't this thread ...

You should already have been able to find out who the authors were. Regarding the what, you've answered your own question correctly: it's another thread. Excellent!

Nevertheless I've added the number of the original article before I did read this. A random policy, but I've perhaps recycled its context in an unusual way. As such discussing the name of some band has hardly anything to do with this thread, but now you are able to verify that without having to use the search engine.

I won't return the favour by asking you retorically why I have to mention the who twice, but without having to mention the source of my on-topic last quote. Instead I'll try to care less...

 

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