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14-11-2014
1141855.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:42 am Reply with quote

The Ostmark, Austria, represented less than 10% of the nazi population, but nearly 50% of both the management and number of killings of the nazi killing industry. Adolf Hitler, Adold Eichmann, the commanders of Treblinka, Flossenbürg, Theresienstadt, Sobior and Belzec, the commanders of the ghettos in Warsaw, Riga and Vilnius, Kaltenbunner (Gestapo), and Seyss-Inquart (the Netherlands).

There were only a few concentration camps without Austrian managers, and hardly any special army forces without Austrian volunteers (cfr. Haslinger, Politik der Gefühle: Ein Essay über Österreich, Frankfurt am Main 1995).

 
14-11-2014
1141868.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:18 am Reply with quote

Yet another concept, like the Third Reich, not invented by the nazis:

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In 1907, the Eugenics Education Society was founded in Britain to campaign for sterilisation and marriage restrictions for the weak to prevent the degeneration of Britain's population. A year later, Sir James Crichton-Brown, giving evidence before the 1908 Royal Commission on the Care and Control of the Feeble-Minded, recommended the compulsory sterilisation of those with learning disabilities and mental illness, describing them as "our social rubbish" which should be "swept up and garnered and utilised as far as possible". He went on to complain, "We pay much attention to the breeding of our horses, our cattle, our dogs and poultry, even our flowers and vegetables; surely it's not too much to ask that a little care be bestowed upon the breeding and rearing of our race". Crichton-Brown was in distinguished company. In a memo to the prime minister in 1910, Winston Churchill cautioned, "The multiplication of the feeble-minded is a very terrible danger to the race".

 
14-11-2014
1141871.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:04 am Reply with quote

Not winning WWII was more important for the success of Volkswagen than the nazis and their Automobil für Jedermann-propaganda.

Even if the theory of the nazi's bad, cheap cars would have worked somehow, then Jedermann couldn't afford the other costs, mainly the fuel. Before 1945 less than 10,000 civil cars were sold, less than a goal of 1 million cars per year. Free trade and getting rid of the economy of the nazis was crucial.

 
Posital
1141876.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:34 am Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
Yet another concept, like the Third Reich, not invented by the nazis:
There's little connection between eugenics and the "final solution". The "final solution" was about systematically killing undesirables - using eugenics as an excuse.

 
Posital
1141877.  Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:37 am Reply with quote

14-11-2014 wrote:
Not winning WWII was more important for the success of Volkswagen than the nazis and their Automobil für Jedermann-propaganda.
It's easy to say in hindsight. If they'd won the war, I suspect the world would still have been infested with the blighters.

The thing that was the problem was the war itself, not the outcome.

 
Awitt
1142337.  Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:59 am Reply with quote

I believe that Hitler instigated WWII (by invading Poland) because he was still souring from having lost the first war.

 
Posital
1142399.  Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:37 pm Reply with quote

There are arguments that they're actually one and the same war... sort of what they did with Deathly Hallows and Mockingjay - because people lost interest halfway through...

 
Peeeeeteeeee
1142941.  Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:33 pm Reply with quote

Someone had to say it.

 
PDR
1142953.  Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:24 am Reply with quote

It.

PDR

 
Ian Dunn
1143219.  Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:41 am Reply with quote

One of the more odd aspects of the Nazis was possibly their attempt to re-brand Christmas, claiming that Christian elements had been superimposed upon old Germanic traditions.

The Nazis claimed that Christmas Eve had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus but was instead a winter solstice celebration; the swastika was an ancient symbol of the sun; and that Santa Claus was a Christian reinvention of Odin. Thus the Nazis replaced Santa and his reindeer with Odin on a white charger.

Source: The Independent

 
AlmondFacialBar
1143238.  Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:36 am Reply with quote

In fairness, it was originally a celebration of the winter solstice. As is every other winter feast day on earth.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
CharliesDragon
1143309.  Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:52 pm Reply with quote

They had to get something right, didn't they?

As for Santa being a direct rebranding of Odin, I'm very sceptical of that, and even more so of the swastika being a representation of the Sun.

How the piece in The Independent is written is rather interesting. We know our Christmas traditions are cobbled together from all sorts of places, and they've changed a lot in the last hundred years or so, with it now for many being about getting the best and most expensive gifts especially for children, or watching some specific programs or movies on TV. But because it is about nazis, the piece has an undertone of disgust, which isn't unwarranted, but pieces discussing the lives of for example Romans, even how they treated their prisoners, will have more of a fascinated voice. I know the nazis and WWII are very recent in a lot of ways, so I'm not surprised.

 
Awitt
1143314.  Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:44 pm Reply with quote

Ian Dunn wrote:
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The Nazis claimed that Christmas Eve had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus but was instead a winter solstice celebration; the swastika was an ancient symbol of the sun;


The early Christians 'took over' the winter solistice (in Europe) for Christmas, though it's commonly believed Jesus was actually born earlier in the year.

From www.ccg.org, written by John O. Reid, Dec. 1994:

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There is additional proof that Jesus was born in the fall of the year. The census of Quirinius that required Joseph to travel from Galilee to Bethlehem would most probably have taken place after the fall harvest when people were more able to return to their ancestral homes (Luke 2:1-5). Besides, it was customary in Judea to do their tax collecting during this period, as the bulk of a farmer's income came at this time.

Another point is that Joseph and Mary had to find shelter in a barn or some other kind of animal shelter like a cave or grotto because the inns were full. This indicates that the pilgrims from around the world had begun to arrive in Jerusalem and surrounding towns. Thus, the fall festival season had already commenced. There would have been no similar influx of pilgrims in December.

 
AlmondFacialBar
1143369.  Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:21 am Reply with quote

CharliesDragon wrote:
They had to get something right, didn't they?

As for Santa being a direct rebranding of Odin, I'm very sceptical of that, and even more so of the swastika being a representation of the Sun.

How the piece in The Independent is written is rather interesting. We know our Christmas traditions are cobbled together from all sorts of places, and they've changed a lot in the last hundred years or so, with it now for many being about getting the best and most expensive gifts especially for children, or watching some specific programs or movies on TV. But because it is about nazis, the piece has an undertone of disgust, which isn't unwarranted, but pieces discussing the lives of for example Romans, even how they treated their prisoners, will have more of a fascinated voice. I know the nazis and WWII are very recent in a lot of ways, so I'm not surprised.


The Swastika is an ancient Indoeuropean symbol of the sun that still has huge significance in Hinduism today. See Divali. So sadly they got that one right, too. Shame what they did with it, though.

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
CharliesDragon
1143390.  Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:27 am Reply with quote

Ah. I knew it (or the reverse or mirrored or something) had meaning in Hinduism, I didn't know it spanned all/most of Indo-Europa(?).

 

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