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Who will win?
Jeb!
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Hillary
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
Trump
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
Sanders
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
Chafee
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Webb
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Cruz
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Huckabee
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Who Cares!
36%
 36%  [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 25

Efros
1140971.  Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:59 pm Reply with quote

Well here we are again...

The news today that Donald Trump is heading the Polls for the Republican nomination is what prompted me to start this.

The rise of Bernie Sanders as a credible contender to Hillary Clinton is also something to wake you up, the possibility of someone with a socialist(ish) agenda actually garnering major support this side of the pond is perhaps a sign that something better change.

PS mods if this is a repeat thread remove it, I looked high and low but couldn't find one.


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CharliesDragon
1140972.  Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:25 pm Reply with quote

I think it would be great (and interesting) if Bernie Sanders won. It's time the US start actually implementing this freedom they always shout about, and don't limit it to the rich and white.

When she ran against Obama, I wasn't opposed to Hillary Clinton, because hey, a woman or a black man, would be a first in the oval office either way. Still, she'd fit better on the conservative side if you ask me, and she's really running it like a popularity contest, she's changed a lot of her views in recent years to go with the flow.

It's pretty weird to have a Bush, a Clinton, and Donald Trump in the run, though. Things like that makes me question if I'm not living in a fictional universe with a bit of a mad creator. :P

 
Efros
1140973.  Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:39 pm Reply with quote

I did see a bumper sticker the other day, "The only bush that belongs in the White House is Hillary's".

 
crissdee
1141024.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:00 am Reply with quote

I have 100% of the poll vote so far!!!!!!!!

 
cornixt
1141027.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:34 am Reply with quote

The Trump lead worries me because that means that there are an awful lot of people okay with outwardly crazy racism. The other GOP contenders are a bit more sneaky about theirs.

I worry about Sanders being seen as a communist and losing lots of moderate votes, despite having the most sane platform of them all so far. Still not sure about Clinton, since she hasn't really said much about her plans.

 
crissdee
1141028.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:39 am Reply with quote

Efros wrote:
I did see a bumper sticker the other day, "The only bush that belongs in the White House is Hillary's".


I remember a few years back when there was a contender by the name of Hart running against Bush senior iirc, and a young woman was seen in a t-shirt reading;

"My heart is for Bush, but my bush is for Hart."

 
suze
1141029.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:16 am Reply with quote

cornixt wrote:
I worry about Sanders being seen as a communist.


I worry about any country which perceives Bernie Sanders as a communist.

Do those on the right worry about Donald Trump being perceived as a fascist?

 
Jenny
1141049.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:06 pm Reply with quote

No because the kind of people who support Trump don't think of themselves as fascist but conservative, and his racism is so normal to them that it doesn't seem offensive.

I went to see Bernie Sanders earlier this week in Portland and was very impressed by him. I like his consistency - he's not saying anything he hasn't been saying for years, and much of what he says would be absolutely mainstream in Europe. I would support him if I could, but my suspicion is that he won't get the Democratic nomination. Where he is being useful, though, is in pushing Hillary further to the left by attracting so much Democratic support.

So far the Republicans don't seem to have coalesced around anybody in particular, but there's lots of time for that to change. Trump is riding the wind of name recognition, but there is (IMHO) no chance whatever of him getting the nomination.

 
Efros
1141050.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:15 pm Reply with quote

I suspect Trump's going to have one too many "foot in mouth" episodes over the next couple of weeks to be a serious contender. The Republican party generally is trying to grow the number of Latin voters but Trump is pretty much destroying that effort. Having said all that Paul LePage is Governor here in Maine, and if Christie wasn't on the roster I think I know who he would be backing. Trump is one of those candidates that you hope would be the winner in the primaries to ensure a sound defeat in the election, but then shit scared in case the fucker actually won the election.

 
cornixt
1141053.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:19 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
Do those on the right worry about Donald Trump being perceived as a fascist?


Technically, the right-wing policies are facist with a libertarian bent*, so they don't really care about a front runner appearing that way. I think the right-wing leaders are more concerned about Trump being an uncontrollable untalented egomaniac.

*if that makes sense, although there are quite a few people who believe in an awesomely powerful military while simultaneously being afraid that the government is going to kill them if they don't have a gun. Or that the government should keep out of our personal lives but ban gay marriage. Being able to hold multiple conflicting ideals is trait of many Republicans.

 
Posital
1141059.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:13 pm Reply with quote

Hope for Hilary.

Expect Jeb.

 
Alexander Howard
1141072.  Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:54 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
cornixt wrote:
I worry about Sanders being seen as a communist.


I worry about any country which perceives Bernie Sanders as a communist.

Do those on the right worry about Donald Trump being perceived as a fascist?


There's precious little difference between communists and fascists - they are just variants of extreme socialism, and both the polar opposite of the libertarian Republican Party.

 
tetsabb
1141549.  Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:18 am Reply with quote

Oh dear, it seems that one of Trump's aides tweeted a montage of Trump, the US flag, the White House, and German troops... SS troops to be exact.
It has been taken down but can still be found, thanks to Mr Google. (Haven't found out how to cut and paste on this phone)
Will this spread his appeal, or dent it?

 
'yorz
1141561.  Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:49 am Reply with quote

 
Efros
1141562.  Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:53 am Reply with quote

Florida Congressman has suggested that Trump is a phantom candidate put forward on a Republican ticket by the Democrats. The Democrats apparently told him to remove his tinfoil hat.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2015/07/miami-republican-congressman-posits-donald-trump-candidacy-may-be-democratic-plot.html


PS Trump is joint leader in the polls this morning for Rep candidate.

 

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