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Fancy Way Of Saying Lie

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Stocky
1139704.  Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:31 pm Reply with quote

I remember when Stephen was slating Frank Skinner about a song or something he made, to wrap up the subject Stephen said a really fancy way of saying lie...

A false...something...or lie

Sorry this isn't very helpful, I don't remember much about the episode.

Thanks
T

 
NickF
1139723.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:42 am Reply with quote

This is not an exact response to your question, but Shakespeare shows a way to break a lie down into seven grades.

As You Like It, Act 5, Scene 4

 
bemahan
1139729.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:52 am Reply with quote

Falsehood?

 
NickF
1139730.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:08 am Reply with quote

Churchill used 'terminological inexactitude'. Or Porky. One of the two anyway.

 
bemahan
1139734.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:10 am Reply with quote

I know Churchill was a bit chubby but I think it's a bit disrespectful to call him "Porky".
;)

 
NickF
1139736.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:27 am Reply with quote

Porky? Blimey, Hitler used to say that Churchill looked like "Funf hunden in eine sack gefighting". Or something.

 
CharliesDragon
1139772.  Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:05 am Reply with quote

Part of the answer to the question I believe is "falsehood." I'm pretty sure I know the scene Stocky is referring to, but I'm not sure about the rest.

 
tetsabb
1140468.  Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:48 pm Reply with quote

'The [politician of choice] said....'???

 
suze
1140507.  Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:55 am Reply with quote

On another thread yesterday, I used the expression "Saying the thing that is not". I've a feeling that a form much like this can be traced right back to Plato, but it's best known from Gulliver's Travels.

 
RLDavies
1140704.  Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:14 am Reply with quote

Let us not forget "being economical with the actualité"

 
suze
1140724.  Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:18 am Reply with quote

Which is actually wrong, but has passed into the public conscience all the same.

The first citation for "economical with the truth" is from 1795, when it was used in an essay by the Irish philosopher and politician Edmund Burke.

The actualité version was first used by the loathsome Alan Clark during a court case in 1992. Since he was under oath he had to be truthful, and there is no nice way to admit to a court that you lied when answering parliamentary questions. Actualité actually means "news" and Mr Clark should really have said "economical with the vérité"*, but there we are.


* Well OK, what he should really have done was not lie when answering parliamentary questions. But you know what I mean ...

 
ali
1143313.  Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:05 pm Reply with quote

The episode is 'Imbroglio'. In reference to the song 3 Lions, Stephen accuses Frank of a "lamentable terminological inexactitude", as the 'lions' in question are technically (in heraldry) leopards.

 

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