View previous topic | View next topic

Is homework too stressful?

Page 6 of 7
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

barbados
1137219.  Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:40 am Reply with quote

if by no contribution,you mean pointed out the reasons why KS2 should be given homework, pointed out that learning doesn't have to be boring, even homework. And then when the concersation moved on to the style and quality of education as a whole, pointed out that there are a number of factors that make a school good or bad, not just the teachers - which is actually pretty obvious.
Then I Guess the answer is no that isn't as much of a contribution no. I'm afraid I didn't get round to belittling your job, incorrectly as it turns out, or explain that people would actually rather work in a hostile atmosphere. I just hadn't got to it as quickly as you.

Perhaps we can now return to the topic at hand , which if I remember correctly, is to do with the quality of education.

 
Awitt
1137544.  Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:57 am Reply with quote

This debate has been on and off in Australia too in recent times and the attitudes vary between our Government run (called state) and private fee paying schools.
At the very least the youngest kids will have a simple reader and a few spelling words to do at home.
From what I know from my employment in schools, by Years 3-4, there may be a project where more work is expected to be done at home.
This jumps a bit by high school (Year 7) where suddenly the kids get a bit of each subject each day to do at home.

I have heard stories about Asian students born here whose parents put extreme pressure on them from a young age and they're doing ridiculous amounts of study with their days so regimented, so some experience burn out by or soon after finishing school and then don't complete university.

 
gruff5
1137590.  Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:31 am Reply with quote

Is work too stressful? Often

Is home too stressful? Can be.

Is homework too stressful? Often can be.

 
gruff5
1195811.  Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:42 am Reply with quote

Was at an interesting talk by a neuroscientist last week and he was saying that research shows that across all subjects, homework has no academic benefit.

The only exception was mathematics, where doing homework did show a benefit. The reasoning is that mathematics is a skill that solo practice will improve upon.

 
Awitt
1195956.  Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:35 pm Reply with quote

But not if you don't understand it in the first place as I didn't. Maths was my worst subject anyway, and I stared at my book in the evenings doing not much because I couldn't get it. Then was in trouble the next day for not doing the work.

Didn't help that I have a then-unidentified learning disability, the school just thought I was lazy and I labelled myself as dumb at the time.

 
gruff5
1196787.  Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:45 am Reply with quote

What kind of learning disability do/did you have? Are you referring to the numeric equivalent of dyslexia? (I'm too lazy to Google). You may also have suffered from inadequate maths teaching.

By "maths", I wasn't particularly referring to arithmetic, but more to the abstract logical reasoning aspects of it.

The neuroscientist speaker regarded "natural talent" as a mostly imaginary & false concept and that nearly all abilities - maths technique, musical etc - are a product of application and practice.

I certainly wasn't a "natural" at arithmetic in my early years at school (really struggled with long division, for example), but became relatively able at the more advanced, abstract maths as the years rolled by.

 
swot
1196794.  Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:26 pm Reply with quote

gruff5 wrote:
What kind of learning disability do/did you have? Are you referring to the numeric equivalent of dyslexia? (I'm too lazy to Google). You may also have suffered from inadequate maths teaching.

Dyscalculia

 
Jenny
1196801.  Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:31 pm Reply with quote

Awitt has been diagnosed with Aspergers AFAIK, though that doesn't mean she doesn't have dyscalculia too, or even dyspraxia. I mention dyspraxia because my youngest has that, and there is more to it than being a little clumsy - one of the specific difficulties is with sequencing, which can make maths that depends on carrying out operations in a specific sequence quite difficult.

 
Awitt
1197108.  Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:26 am Reply with quote

Yes, that's right Jenny. But when I was at high school in the early 1990's (now we can look back and see it) that Aspergers wasn't included in the diagnostic manual until 1994.

It's now been explained to me by my psychologist that I have an issue with things in sequence as Jenny mentions above.
So things like maths have to be done step by step in order to get the correct answer, particularly areas like algebra.
If I didn't understand something properly or got it wrong, I couldn't proceed to the next step (or I did and it was even wronger) but without the proper diagnosis and help, my school teachers just thought I was doing it for attention/being lazy/not doing my work, when I was trying.

My current librarianship course essays aren't so much of an issue as despite the 2-3 page descriptions, most of the steps are there and it's just a case of working through it all systematically.

 
crissdee
1270190.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:11 am Reply with quote

Raising this thread from its slumbers to raise something that has been nagging me of late.

My brother and niece were supposed to come a'visiting on Sunday, but couldn't because niece had an exam on Tuesday which apparently neccessitated her spending the entire weekend revising. Then, in the paper the other day, a young (15yo) lad has set up a petition to reduce/ban homework on the grounds that he spends 4 hours a night on his.

When do these poor kids get any chance to just......be kids?

 
'yorz
1270203.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:19 am Reply with quote

Apart from 4 hours a day being quite a bit, why do parents have to stay home when their offspring has to revise? Can't niece make her own sandwiches?

 
tetsabb
1270229.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:21 am Reply with quote

And a bit of starvation helps focus the mind. Holmes would go without food for days when he was hot on a trail, and if he said it aided his mental facilities, it must be true.

 
crissdee
1270239.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:59 am Reply with quote

'yorz wrote:
Apart from 4 hours a day being quite a bit, why do parents have to stay home when their offspring has to revise? Can't niece make her own sandwiches?


Sorry, should have made the situation clearer. Brother is divorced from niece's mother, only has the weekends with her, obviously doesn't want to come down and leave her.

Also. When/why did GCSEs become so overwhelmingly important? When her father and I were her age, we were vaguely aware that your exam results would have a bearing on your eventual career, but most of us had only the broadest idea of what we wanted to do anyway. Now it seems that these kids are being obliged to make life-shaping decisions (and plan for their execution) at an age where we were still riding our bikes and climbing trees.

 
suze
1270255.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:44 pm Reply with quote

If this young person really is spending four hours every night on his homework, that means one of two things:

1. His school is setting more than it ought to be (the government guidance is that about two hours per night is appropriate for pupils in Years 10 and 11), or
2. He's spending too long on it.

I have this discussion with a parent a couple of times each school year. It's not as easy for a teacher to spot #2 as it used to be - it was so much easier when schoolwork was mostly handwritten - but there are things which I notice and things which I can suggest that parents look for.

If I ask a pupil to write an essay, then I want her to write an essay. At GCSE level, that essay is probably going to be a document of two pages. I do not require fancy frames or borders, I do not require immaculately researched and presented citations (at A level yes, but they are not needed for GCSE), and I actively do not want each page to be inserted in a plastic folder and the whole tied together with a fancy ribbon.

Most schools have some sort of homework schedule, showing which teacher should be setting homework on which days. It's impossible to stick to that rigidly, but in an exam year I won't set anything that's going to take longer than 15 minutes if it's not "my" night.

One former member of my team used to consider it her right to set as much homework as she wanted whenever she wanted, and I kicked her arse for it. If it seems to be happening, it's absolutely a thing that parents can and should raise with the school.

Quickly on revision, I do quite often find myself telling pupils not to do too much of it. I make it a rule that there is one day a week on which I do absolutely nothing work-related, and I urge pupils to do the same. For me it's convenient for that day to be Saturday, and pupils tell me that they often find the same.

What pupils do do on that free day is of course up to them, and they may not always be listening when I suggest that it's best not to spend the whole day at the games console or (of more relevance to university students) at the pub. But taking a day out to visit Uncle Crissdee in the middle of a revision period is the sort of thing that I would very much encourage.

 
crissdee
1270262.  Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:20 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
But taking a day out to visit Uncle Crissdee in the middle of a revision period is the sort of thing that I would very much encourage.


Awwwwwwww. Me too actually, as she is the light of my life!

 

Page 6 of 7
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are GMT - 5 Hours


Display posts from previous:   

Search Search Forums

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group