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Zziggy
1116461.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:12 pm Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
Just default to "he"; the "she" is rarely of any value or significance...

That hilarious joke notwithstanding :P

I'm a mathematician and I've been thoroughly trained to deal with the general case wherever possible.

"Just ignore it, it's probably not significant" ... *scoffs* typical engineer.

 
PDR
1116463.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:15 pm Reply with quote

Apols - just couldn't resist the opportunity!

I was actually tempted to put it the other way around with an additional "according to SWMBO" qualifier, but decided against it.

PDR

 
PDR
1116464.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:20 pm Reply with quote

Zziggy wrote:
"Just ignore it, it's probably not significant" ... *scoffs* typical engineer.


Well you know how it is - we struggle enough to master the oil can never mind all these rediculous sums they ask us to do. Why can't we just make Pi equal 4 and have done with it?

PDR

 
CharliesDragon
1116467.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:30 pm Reply with quote

There's also the case that some people do not identify with either "he" or "she." They are a minority, yes, and as Zziggy I often use "they" just as much for convenience or out of laziness.

 
Zziggy
1116470.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:41 pm Reply with quote

PDR wrote:
the world's favourite tautology: the "universal panecea".

Not "free gift"?

 
swot
1116473.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:46 pm Reply with quote

suze wrote:
RLDavies wrote:
Brand names are pretty well exempt from ordinary grammatical considerations, anyway.


But should they be?

There's an increasing trend for companies to abolish apostrophes which ought to be present in company or product names. God alone knows how many millions Boots, Morrisons, and Waterstones paid management consultants in return for the advice "Spell your own name wrongly".


As some may have seen on facebook, my Goats milk, cheese, butter and yoghurt are all made with British Goats' milk. It's extraordinarily lazy marketing if that's what it is.

 
PDR
1116481.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:34 pm Reply with quote

Zziggy wrote:
PDR wrote:
the world's favourite tautology: the "universal panecea".

Not "free gift"?


Maybe, although it's a truism that very few gifts are truly "free".

PDR

 
franticllama
1116509.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:53 pm Reply with quote

Possibly advertising my ignorance here but I always thought that 'begs the question' was the slightly more lazy way of saying, 'begets the question.'

 
nitwit02
1116526.  Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:51 pm Reply with quote

Apart from the written word, how about daft pronuncifications?

The word is 'medicine' - not med-sin.
His name is Ralph - not Rafe.

Why???>

 
Zziggy
1116536.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:55 am Reply with quote

I thought "Rafe" was the older, more traditional pronunciation? It'd hardly be alone in English language as a word whose pronunciation didn't match its spelling.

No, what I hate is this move, even among BBC reporters, towards "CONtroVERsy" rather than "conTROversy". It sounds so clumsy!

 
filofax
1116544.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:27 am Reply with quote

franticllama wrote:
Possibly advertising my ignorance here but I always thought that 'begs the question' was the slightly more lazy way of saying, 'begets the question.'


Nope - it it a form of circular reasoning, where the conclusion is included in the premise. A very simple example of 'begging the question' could be 'I like blue best, because blue is my favourite colour'.

I agree with PDR that it doesn't make much sense, but if you don't know what the phrase means, why use it? What's wrong with 'this RAISES the question...'?

Anyway, looks like I'm fighting a loosing battle with this one. Cambridge Dictionaries Online (no idea who they are or what relationship they have with Cambridge) give the definition as:

Quote:
If a statement or situation begs the question, it causes you to ask a particular question:
Spending the summer travelling around India is a great idea, but it does beg the question of how we can afford it.


Looks like I'll just have to seethe in silence.

 
crissdee
1116561.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:14 am Reply with quote

Zziggy wrote:
I thought "Rafe" was the older, more traditional pronunciation?


As far as I know, it is.

filofax wrote:
Anyway, looks like I'm fighting a loosing battle with this one..


Maybe look at that dictionary again?

;-)

 
filofax
1116567.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:22 am Reply with quote

That Muphry's law just won't quit!!!!

I reread that post umpteen times because I just KNEW that if I were going to make a mistake, it would be in this thread, and still it slipped through.

 
WordLover
1116576.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:39 am Reply with quote

Zziggy wrote:
PDR wrote:
the world's favourite tautology: the "universal panecea".

Not "free gift"?
Or "mass exodus"?

 
franticllama
1116595.  Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:44 am Reply with quote

Cheers Filo, I'm now marginally more informed.

The one that always annoys me:
Pacific is an ocean taking up a large proportion of the planet
Specific is the word you're looking for when you want to clearly define which object you're referring to.

 

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