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CharliesDragon
1102066.  Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:02 pm Reply with quote

Peeeeeteeeee wrote:
I definitely need to restrict it to animals. Humans need to be on top. I don't want to be second best to bacteria.


I'm sort of wondering what your problem is if humans have to be on top and you can't bear to come second. Even if we or someone else concluded bacteria or elephants or whatever to be smarter in some way, it doesn't change the fact that we invented the Internet, among other things, and it's highly unlikely a killer whale will steal your job because they're seen as more capable.

If humans have to be on top of this scale, the correct question to ask is "What animal has cognitive abilities most resembling humans?" which I suggested early on.

Either way I'm gonna be mesmerised by the abilities of different animals, whether it has something to do with intelligence or not.

 
suze
1102068.  Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:08 pm Reply with quote

Peeeeeteeeee wrote:
I don't want to add a Pole to this thread because I don't think an intelligent way to decide the answer is by using a vote of the people who want to vote.


If you were to add a Pole, do you suppose anyone would consider her the most intelligent animal?

I wouldn't, but hey.

 
PDR
1102078.  Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:49 pm Reply with quote

Every time a Pole emigrates the mean IQ of both countries rises...

PDR

 
PDR
1102079.  Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:51 pm Reply with quote

CharliesDragon wrote:
...it's highly unlikely a killer whale will steal your job because they're seen as more capable.



Unless you happen to work in an arctic seal-hunting team, in which case the orca would be a serious threat, of course.

PDR

 
CharliesDragon
1102084.  Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:00 pm Reply with quote

Might be hard to to get it to give up the seal, though. Apparently it's possible to train birds to fish for you, but I imagine the killer whale would object more to it.

 
Peeeeeteeeee
1102345.  Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:17 pm Reply with quote

I thinks most people who say, are you sure humans are number one are not over estimating other animals. They are under estimating humans. Maybe, not realizing what we can do.

Creating the internet was a good example, but were we showing more intelligence in the creation of the internet, or figuring out what we wanted to create?

The answer to this might be a clue as to what exactly we mean by intelligence.

 
CharliesDragon
1102349.  Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:02 pm Reply with quote

I'm mostly saying that our evolutionary road has led us to intelligence, other animals have needed speed or camuflage or other things to survive and I'm a bit sick of the whole "Humans are the greatest thing ever" attitude. Yes, the human brain is amazing, but so is everything from moss to albatrosses, if you look at the right properties. The human-centric view is also apparent in every movie or TV series that deal with the end of the world, including Doctor Who. Could we just for once get a line about how it would also destroy every unique animal on Earth? Which humans are part of, but we don't own the bloody planet.

 
Troux
1102374.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:22 am Reply with quote

CharliesDragon wrote:
I'm mostly saying that our evolutionary road has led us to intelligence, other animals have needed speed or camuflage or other things to survive and I'm a bit sick of the whole "Humans are the greatest thing ever" attitude. Yes, the human brain is amazing, but so is everything from moss to albatrosses, if you look at the right properties. The human-centric view is also apparent in every movie or TV series that deal with the end of the world, including Doctor Who. Could we just for once get a line about how it would also destroy every unique animal on Earth? Which humans are part of, but we don't own the bloody planet.

While I think that humans are, overall, probably the 'best' animals in a holistic sense of capability and accomplishment, I also know that we're living in a balance that relies on our many internal bacteria and the countless items of food - which were all alive at some point. We're nothing without a proliferation of various other species. I also understand that "By our illustrious endurance and resilience, we've survived....but we'll die within a month" doesn't make for a heartwarming movie ending.

I do wish we - on the whole - could put more empha$i$ on biological research, as the depth of what we don't yet know seems to be relegated to esoteric theory, and there is so much to gain if we could only learn to emulate and utilize our natural counterparts. I don't know if it's even quantifiable, but I recall reading that plants are still much better at photosynthesis than our panels are, for instance.

 
Posital
1102434.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:37 pm Reply with quote

Peeeeeteeeee wrote:
Creating the internet was a good example, but were we showing more intelligence in the creation of the internet, or figuring out what we wanted to create?
Between you and me, I did neither.

But I'm happy for you to make that mistake, since I would like to have invented it...

I suspect there are a few others in this position...

 
Spud McLaren
1102458.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:10 pm Reply with quote

Peeeeeteeeee wrote:

I don't want to add a Pole to this thread [] I'm a bit of a fan of UKIP.
Consistent...

:-)

 
PDR
1102459.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:15 pm Reply with quote

Peeeeeteeeee wrote:
The interesting thing is....size does not seem to matter.


Of course size matters. Without it the wallpaper usually falls off within a few months.

Quote:

I'm a bit of a fan of UKIP.


Thereby proving that some humans are definitely *not* the most intelligent animals on the planet.

PDR

 
Peeeeeteeeee
1102466.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:16 pm Reply with quote

Do't get me wrong. I don't want them to have any control were I live but they are the most entertaining political party in an otherwise pretty dull political country.

I'm a fan until they do something that effects me on the other side of the world.

But you are right in a way....Someone voted for them.

 
Peeeeeteeeee
1102467.  Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:18 pm Reply with quote

I think we need to ignore us silly but intelligent humans for now and concentrate on all the other animals.

 
Posital
1102572.  Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:03 am Reply with quote

I think it's racist, or something, that amoebas aren't allowed in the animal club. Otherwise they'd be real contenders...

 
Peeeeeteeeee
1102691.  Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:11 pm Reply with quote

You're from the UK. I can tell.

 

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