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Frederick The Monk
59710.  Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:22 am Reply with quote

nb. Two versions below:

Question: Who is the 'Oceanic Guru"?

Forfeits: Alan

Answer: The 14th and current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso (born 1935).

Notes: "Dalai" means "ocean" in Mongolian, and "Lama" (bla ma) is the Tibetan equivalent of the Sanskrit word "guru", and so may mean "teacher" or "monk." The actual title "Dalai Lama" is best translated as "Oceanic Guru" or "Ocean of Wisdom"; it was first bestowed by the Mongolian ruler Altan Khan upon Sonam Gyatso, an abbot at the Drepung monastery who was widely considered the most eminent lama of his time. Although Sonam Gyatso became the first lama to hold the title "Dalai Lama", due to the fact that he was the third member of his lineage, he became known as the "3rd Dalai Lama".

Tibetans call the Dalai Lama Gyawa Rinpoche (rgya ba rin po che) meaning "Precious Victor," or Yeshe Norbu (ye shes nor bu) meaning "Wisdom Jewel".

Upon the death of the Dalai Lama, his monks institute a search for the Lama's reincarnation, or tulku (sprul sku), a small child. Familiarity with the possessions of the previous Dalai Lama is considered the main sign of the reincarnation. The search for the reincarnation typically requires a few years, which results in a gap in the list of the Dalai Lamas. The reincarnation is then brought to Lhasa to be trained by the other Lamas.

Despite its officially secular stance, the government of the People's Republic of China has claimed the power to approve the naming of high reincarnations in Tibet. This decision cites a precedent set by the Qianlong Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who instituted a system of selecting the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama by means of a lottery which utilised a golden urn with names wrapped in barley balls. Recently, this precedent was called upon to name the Panchen Lama, who is empowered to recognize the new Dalai Lama. There is some speculation that with the death of the current Dalai Lama, China will direct the selection of a successor.

The current Dalai Lama has repeatedly stated that he will never be reborn inside territory controlled by the People's Republic of China, and has suggested that he might choose to be the last Dalai Lama by not being reborn at all.

“Most of the Dalai Lamas in the nineteenth century had signally failed to achieve their majorities.”

DLs are, of course, chosen while small children, as they are the reincarnation of the previous office holder (and presumably, therefore, of all previous DLs?). Naturally, they can’t actually run the shop while they’re still in nappies, so the business was/is in the hands of a regent. The ninth, tenth, eleventh and twelfth DLs all died young; it was generally assumed they were bumped off by their regents.

“The twelfth Dalai Lama met an end more extraordinary than most when his regent arranged for his bedroom ceiling to collapse on his head, with fatal consequences.”

Luckily for posterity Twelve did live long enough to leave his footprint in a stone.

Most Tibetans have salt in their tea instead of sugar.

"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." - the Dalai Lama

Links to: Divinity/ Deep Blue Sea (Devil and the)/

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama
http://www.dalailama.com/
‘Sherlock Holmes the Unauthorised Biography,’ by Nick Rennison (Atlantic, 2005)
http://www.china-travel-tour-guide.com/attractions/potala-palace.shtml
http://www.tibet.cn/english/zt/culture/..%5Cculture/200402004512103905.htm

Pictures/Props: BEFORE - Ocean footage AFTER - The Dalai Lama

Researcher: JP


Last edited by Frederick The Monk on Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:33 am; edited 5 times in total

 
MatC
59732.  Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:45 am Reply with quote

See also post 49928

 
Frederick The Monk
62970.  Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:27 am Reply with quote

Alternatively, courtesy of Eggshaped -

Question: What was the first prize in the 1995 Tibetan national lottery?

Forfeits: A yak/ two yaks/ lots of yaks/ more yaks than you can shake a stick at/ more sticks than you can shake a yak at/ a speedboat.

Answer: The title of Panchen lama - the second-most important leader in the country after the Dalai Lama.

Notes: The Dali Lama is the spiritual leader of the Tibetans, and comes from a long line of men who it is believed are re-incarnations of each other. The selection process is usually quite simple, once a Dali Lama dies, the Panchen Lama (the second-highest ranking of the spiritual leaders) leads the search among all the newly born children to find his successor. Familiarity with the possessions of the previous Dalai Lama is considered the main sign of the reincarnation.

The search for the reincarnation typically requires a few years, which results in a gap in the list of the Dalai Lamas. The reincarnation is then brought to Lhasa to be trained by the other Lamas.

Despite its officially secular stance, the government of the People's Republic of China has claimed the power to approve the naming of high reincarnations in Tibet. This decision cites a precedent set by the Qianlong Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who instituted a system of selecting the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama by means of a lottery which utilised a golden urn with names wrapped in barley balls. Recently, this precedent was called upon to name the Panchen Lama, who is empowered to recognize the new Dalai Lama. There is some speculation that with the death of the current Dalai Lama, China will direct the selection of a successor.

Who is the true present (11th) incarnation of the Panchen Lama is a matter of controversy: the People's Republic of China asserts it is Erdini Qoigyijabu, while the Tibetan Government in Exile maintains it is Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, missing since 1995.

The current Dalai Lama has repeatedly stated that he will never be reborn inside territory controlled by the People's Republic of China, and has suggested that he might choose to be the last Dalai Lama by not being reborn at all.

The actual title "Dalai Lama" is best translated as "Oceanic Guru" or "Ocean of Wisdom"; "Dalai" means "ocean" in Mongolian, and "Lama" (bla ma) is the Tibetan equivalent of the Sanskrit word "guru", and so may mean "teacher" or "monk." It was first bestowed by the Mongolian ruler Altan Khan upon Sonam Gyatso, an abbot at the Drepung monastery who was widely considered the most eminent lama of his time. Although Sonam Gyatso became the first lama to hold the title "Dalai Lama", due to the fact that he was the third member of his lineage, he became known as the "3rd Dalai Lama".

Tibetans call the Dalai Lama Gyawa Rinpoche (rgya ba rin po che) meaning "Precious Victor," or Yeshe Norbu (ye shes nor bu) meaning "Wisdom Jewel".

“Most of the Dalai Lamas in the nineteenth century had signally failed to achieve their majorities.”

DLs are, of course, chosen while small children, as they are the reincarnation of the previous office holder (and presumably, therefore, of all previous DLs?). Naturally, they can’t actually run the shop while they’re still in nappies, so the business was/is in the hands of a regent. The ninth, tenth, eleventh and twelfth DLs all died young; it was generally assumed they were bumped off by their regents.

“The twelfth Dalai Lama met an end more extraordinary than most when his regent arranged for his bedroom ceiling to collapse on his head, with fatal consequences.”

Luckily for posterity Twelve did live long enough to leave his footprint in a stone.

Most Tibetans have salt rather than sugar in their tea.

"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." - the Dalai Lama

Other Lotteries
A tie in New Mexico elections is resolved by a hand of poker. New Mexico’s statute states that "the determination as to which of the candidates shall be declared to have been nominated or elected shall be decided by lot." In occasions that this has happened, the result has traditionally been decided by a single game of poker. The last time this occurred was in 1999, when Republican Jim Blanq defeated Democrat Lena Milligan in the race to become a local judge after tying on 798 votes.

While a dead heat is obviously quite a rare occurrence, it also applies to presidential votes. Should a presidential election boil down to a tie the two applicants would either have to play a hand of poker else agree to another form of decision-by-lot, such as drawing straws.

Links to: Divinity/ Deep Blue Sea (Devil and the)/

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama
http://www.dalailama.com/
‘Sherlock Holmes the Unauthorised Biography,’ by Nick Rennison (Atlantic, 2005)
http://www.china-travel-tour-guide.com/attractions/potala-palace.shtml
http://www.tibet.cn/english/zt/culture/..%5Cculture/200402004512103905.htm
http://www.mountainviewtelegraph.com/156592mtnview03-11-04.htm
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/15/other.elections/index.html

Pictures/Props: BEFORE - Ocean footage AFTER - The Dalai Lama

Researcher: JP


Last edited by Frederick The Monk on Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:08 am; edited 3 times in total

 
Gray
62979.  Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:43 am Reply with quote

Also link to the 'hand of poker' rationale behind choosing the winner of a tied election.

Or did I dream that? Can't find it now...

 
eggshaped
62982.  Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:52 am Reply with quote

Here be it:

post 62476

and some links.
http://www.mountainviewtelegraph.com/156592mtnview03-11-04.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/15/other.elections/index.html

 
Gray
62992.  Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:16 am Reply with quote

Ah, it was hiding in the DVD forum...

 
Frederick The Monk
63012.  Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:08 am Reply with quote

and now it's hiding in the question notes too!

 
brackett
65848.  Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:02 pm Reply with quote

Wow, the lottery is brilliant!

What a great fact.

I don't have anything to add, I just to acknowledge the brilliance of that nugget.

 
boldie
201387.  Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:46 am Reply with quote

Frederick The Monk wrote:
Alternatively, courtesy of Eggshaped -


http://www.mountainviewtelegraph.com/156592mtnview03-11-04.htm
Researcher: JP


i also have to point out that this article quite clearly shows the draw of the cards was somewhat rigged :)

 
graeme edgeler
751267.  Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:05 pm Reply with quote

Quote:
While a dead heat is obviously quite a rare occurrence, it also applies to presidential votes. Should a presidential election boil down to a tie the two applicants would either have to play a hand of poker else agree to another form of decision-by-lot, such as drawing straws.


Well that's simply not true. Or at least, misses a pretty big point. Tied presidential elections in the US (indeed any election where a person doesn't get over half the votes in the electoral college) are decided by the House of Representatives.

Because the Constitution says that happens. And Americans like their Constitution.[/b]

 
ali
752146.  Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:18 pm Reply with quote

The quote you refer to is ambiguous - in context it is clear that it is New Mexico law that is being referred to, and of course the voters of New Mexico (or indeed any other state) do not directly vote for the president in a presidential election - instead they vote for 'presidential electors' who cast their votes in the electoral college. I haven't been able to find any specific confirmation, but I imagine that a tied vote would result in the electors being chosen by lot.

The relevant law is:

Quote:
3-8-60. Post-election duties; tie vote.

In the event of a tie vote between any candidates in the election for the same office, the determination as to which of the candidates shall be declared to have been elected shall be decided by drawing by impartial lot. The method of determining by lot shall be mutually agreed upon by the candidates who are tied. The municipal clerk shall issue a certificate of election to the candidate chosen by lot.

 

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