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1047403.  Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:48 pm Reply with quote

ConorOberstIsGo wrote:

When you say 'unexplained noises' that's interesting because I did some work with fMRI scanners; they are very loud and you have to keep very still and oddly people were able to fall asleep very easily in the machines. Whereas I know many people will wake up when they hear the sound of people 'sneaking' around their house. So a quiet noise is not necessarily less disruptive to sleep. It is also not less bothersome to those concentrating, so I wonder whether the interpretive brain is not entirely off during sleep.

Snap on the tinnitus - it took me ages to realise that other people couldn't hear the buzzing.

I normally sleep with some sort of music playing. The regularity of the music helps me sleep and its expected noise. I started using music as a distraction from background noise as a kid - the neighbourhood I grew up in was rather violent and whilst music doesn't hide a gunshot or screaming from next door it does hide that sort of noise when its a block or two away. Its now a habit I find I can't break. I also find I can hear relatively quiet noises through the music (regardless of how loud the music is) simply because they are noises that don't fit with the music*

*I'm fairly sure the lovely Terry Pratchett covered this when writing about the Assassins Guild - the assassins had to learn how to be noisy enough not to be notice as being too quiet gets noticed in the same way wearing all black gets noticed - you're better off with dark green.

1047404.  Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:55 pm Reply with quote

Awitt wrote:
RLD wrote:
I have both Asperger's and tinnitus

Snap to both as well!
And the tinnitus would be the 'sound' driving me mad when I was trying to get to sleep, after it started. My orchestral conductor friend suggested the radio/small walkman, etc, tuned to a low volume to provide a distraction from the 'sound.'
in winter I'll use a fan heater, and in warm weather, a fan for some noise.

This is so fascinating, I hope I don't come across either as obnoxious for calling it 'fascinating' nor as a complete outsider but I really wish I had carried on with psychology.

From this I see really good research-inspiring links between John Cage's anechoic chamber experience. When cage was told in a soundless chamber that the sound he was hearing was his blood pumping and his nervous system 'singing' - somewhat like tinnitus - that was nothing more than an interesting anecdote. I think his nervous system's sensitivity may have the effect of tinnitus because this is not the first time I've heard of those conditions in conjunction. Again I wouldn't mention you by name; I see you foremost as the nicest - and most interesting - message board I have ever found and it's for what I've learnt from you in just a few days, not any categories you may or may not fit into.

Have either of you heard a treatment involving listening to a frequency matching the tinnitus tone for an hour? It supposedly prevents symptoms for a period long enough to get to sleep or whatever. seems like a Victorian hair-of-the-dog style remedy but maybe you know it well?

Sorry to be a bit rambling but it's late and I wanted to get these thoughts down. Probably best to ignore me :)


1047455.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:26 am Reply with quote

I don;t have tinnitus but I leave the radio on all night and find that it helps me sleep. I have a talk station, 5 Live or the World Service, on as music stations keep me awake. 5 Live had the Australian Open Tennis on lsat night. I slept like a log.

1047509.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:32 am Reply with quote

I've had tinnitus all my life, so the sound doesn't particularly bother me; I've never known anything different.

Difficulty falling asleep and actively fighting against sleep are common on the autism spectrum, and I do those all the time. When I was very small, my mother would hold me on her lap at bedtime and have me watch the fish in my father's aquarium until I got too drowsy to fight it.

Whether it's the Asperger's or the tinnitus or both, in the past few years I've found I can go to sleep a lot faster with something to listen to. Music only as a last resort, because then I try to stay awake to listen to it! If I go to sleep listening to a story it affects my dreams, and I don't like that.

Most sound-generating machines and relaxation recordings are based on water sounds like fountains, streams, or rain. I hate water sounds. But I have found a really good machine (by Sound Oasis) that includes non-water sounds like birdsong, frogs, wind chimes, and my favourite, a steam train. So I often go to sleep pretending I'm on a train.

Action on Hearing Loss (the new name for the RNID) sells special tinnitus CDs of background sounds. I have a set that's nature noises without any water sounds -- crickets, wind, birdsong, fire, etc. They do a nice fade-in, crossfade from one sound to the other, and fade-out, so if you're trying to go to sleep you won't be jolted awake by abrupt changes.

I've also got various subliminal suggestion CDs that I use from time to time. Most of them are based on surf sounds, but it's a general roar that doesn't sound particularly wet, so that's OK. My favourite one is Creativity, but playing it more than a couple of nights in a row makes my dreams turn really weird.

1047515.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:45 am Reply with quote

Extroverts and introverts:

Extroverts (or properly "extraverts") draw their mental/emotional energy from the external environment and have a relatively high need for excitement, novelty, activity, and risk. An extrovert who feels sad or stressed will want to "go out, do something, cheer up".

Introverts generate their mental/emotional energy from within themselves and have a relatively low need for excitement, novelty, activity, and risk. An introvert who feels sad or stressed will want to "curl up, settle down, recharge".

Extroverts don't necessarily want to be around people all the time, but they generally find human contact stimulating and energising. Introverts are usually friendly and social but on their own terms, because they generally find prolonged human contact draining.

Most people, of course, fit somewhere between these two extremes.

1047581.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:22 pm Reply with quote

Then... Yeah, I have no idea, as it's not the socialising that drains me, but the sounds and other input. I probably fit the introvert model more, as if I'm in a bad mood or bored (or in a bad mood because I'm bored), I'll end up going to bed.
I have an online friend who's extremely introverted, and the general consensus on the places I frequent online is "Eww, human contact!" but I actually enjoy spending time with people, on my own terms. These opinions of other people have greatly confused me, though, as I don't dislike being out and about, just not all the time.

1047588.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:44 pm Reply with quote

I find it hard to fall asleep if it's too quiet. I far prefer it if I can have the TV or radio on a very low volume. So low that I can't really make out what is being said. As djg, I can't go to sleep to music.
I'm quite sensitive to noise and can't 'cope' if there are too many different noises going on at once. I start to feel quite ill and get really stressed out and sometimes just have to go somewhere quiet or, if I'm with immediate family I just have to ask them all just to be quiet for a few minutes.
I am slightly deaf at the moment (or it might be the start of deafness) but even so I can't bear having the TV or music on louder than a certain level which is tricky as my husband likes it quite a lot louder. Fortunately I've trained the children not to have it on very loud.

1047599.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:56 pm Reply with quote

I can't stand having the TV on loud, either, and most of the time I can't stand the radio at all. (Especially as my mother listens to it solely in the mornings, and the few times I'm up at the same time as her I'm in no mood to listen to obnoxiously cheery people prattle on, or very, very bad commercials for things I couldn't give a rat's ass about even if I tried.)
It was quite painful for me when my ex-stepfather lived with us, as he had quite damaged hearing and needed the TV to be on loud, and I ended up just curled up in my chair half freaked out of my wits of how the sound seemed to pummel all of me, especially my eardrums, to the point of pain. My eardrums quite frankly hurt sometimes after I've been in a noisy enviroment. Not even something overly loud, just normal level of noise.

sally carr
1047628.  Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:41 pm Reply with quote

I have the same problem when I go to Dad's. He swears he doesn't have a hearing loss, his tv can be so loud it makes my ears ring. I wait till he nods off and turn it down a bit.


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