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Sadurian Mike
1000048.  Tue May 28, 2013 5:45 am Reply with quote

Arcane wrote:
It's annoying when someone makes broad assumptions without evidence or truth.

Yes, isn't it....

Academic paper addressing dual-identity amongst Italian-Australians

Above paper wrote:
In a culturally plural society such as Australia, two or more corresponding sets of group values for each aspect of culture (language, ideology, religion, family, etc.) are typically available to individuals born into a minority ethnic culture, as well as to those of the dominant or Anglo-Australian cultural group who enter into some form of social relationship with members of other ethnic groups.


(my emphasis). Looks like the Anglo-Australian cultural group exists after all.


Edit: Added quote to link.


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'yorz
1000049.  Tue May 28, 2013 5:46 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
Your youlgreaving instinct is spot on...

Good grief - the word has now morphed from a verb via a noun to an adjective. Awesome! What next? ;-D

 
suze
1000073.  Tue May 28, 2013 6:31 am Reply with quote

AlmondFacialBar wrote:
Typical German mutt here, I'd hyphenate myself if it didn't entail at least four of them. ;-)


And what's more, by now you must be getting close to moving to the other side of the hyphen and being a German Irishwoman.

 
Arcane
1000087.  Tue May 28, 2013 6:50 am Reply with quote

What has been put to me is that Australian and English people are culturally similar. We may have originally had a common background, but we are not similar now. Yes, many who emigrate here are of UK background, but there are so many other nations here that they also have their mark and there is not the overwhelming influence England used to have. We are very different people, and anyone who spent any time here would understand that.

If anyone is trying to say that if an Aussie and someone from England were to swap places they wouldn't notice any difference that would be utterly wrong.

 
PDR
1000095.  Tue May 28, 2013 6:55 am Reply with quote

What's the difference between a 'stralian and a Boeing 747?

The 747 stops whining when it arrives at the airport...


PDR

 
Sadurian Mike
1000105.  Tue May 28, 2013 7:09 am Reply with quote

Arcane wrote:
What has been put to me is that Australian and English people are culturally similar.

I think you are missing the point. It is that the Anglo-Australian culture and English culture are similar, not that they are identical. In context, it is being made because an Englishman in Australian will feel far more 'at home' than a Chinese or (as with the article) Italian.

The Australian and US Anglo-culture is much easier to identify with if you are from Britain, because it has used the British culture as its cultural base. That is not to say that the two are identical, but that the culture strongly reflects its British roots.

 
Spud McLaren
1000203.  Tue May 28, 2013 1:08 pm Reply with quote

Arcane wrote:
It's amazing how a couple of weeks ago there was a fair bit of Aussie bashing going on and now I'm being told by people who haven't even lived in the country that we're alike. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
I think you can, though. There is a fair bit of Aussie bashing because we're similar, not in spite of similarity. Get a Derby man* and a Nottingham man in the same room, you'll get similar banter. Is anybody (not you, djg) seriously going to assert that there's no similarity in culture there? They're only 16 miles apart.

* I say man because I don't observe this phenomenon between women.

 
PDR
1000223.  Tue May 28, 2013 2:34 pm Reply with quote

And of course no one else is allowed an opinion on 'stralian culture (now matter what our heritage or travelling/living experiences over the last ten years).

I appreciate that you are having problems at the moment Arcane, so I'm cutting you some slack. But this hyper-sensitivity, going out of your way to find something to be afronted by, isn't going to win you any friends you know.

It wasn't "aussie-bashing" - at best it was a bit of banter and one throw-away remark. If anything it was man-bashing; the never-ending story of the inherent dangers of stupid men using power tools without a grown-up to supervise.

PDR

 
CB27
1000269.  Tue May 28, 2013 5:14 pm Reply with quote

Geez, what the fudge is going on? I don't know what Aussie bashing was going on, and I don't care, I was making a point that for people who are British, and in particular English, the culture of Australia and the US is SIMILAR, not identical.

The question was why Aussies or Americans who are from British origins don't bother to identify themselves in a dual way, that's because not only do people in Britain see the similarities, but so does the rest of the world. Is it my fault? No.

You give people anywhere in the world a list of countries from Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas and ask them to choose which one they most identify as similar to Australia, guess which three countries will come out top? New Zealand, UK and US.

If anyone questions that assumption then I'd like to see whch countries they think will beat those three and why.

 
CB27
1000270.  Tue May 28, 2013 5:18 pm Reply with quote

In fact, this all came from the question why people bother to identify themselves through dual nationalities and I gave a reason, to which the further question was why don't Aussies from British origins do this, and I gave a perfectly valid and understandble reason to show why they usually don't and others often do.

Was I giving a critique of Australian culture? No. I was giving a personal knowledge of why I would identify myself in a dual way at certain times, and how I've seen others do the same thing.

If people have a problem with asking a question and getting an answer, too fucking bad.

 
suze
1000273.  Tue May 28, 2013 5:30 pm Reply with quote

I might place Canada ahead of the US - all those years of Empire must count for something.

But for sure, there is a group of countries whose members are Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the UK, and the USA. Among that group of countries, there are more similarities than differences in most aspects of the culture.

For sure they are not identical. Outsiders don't understand the American obsession with not being socialist, the Australian interest in kicking a rugby ball around a cricket field, the Canadian interest in eating French fries with cheese and gravy, and so on.

And hey, even within the countries we're not identical. Queenslanders just don't get why Victorians want to kick rugby balls around an oval field when there are perfectly good rectangular fields. Albertans don't get why British Columbians are so keen on socialism and marijuana. Yorkshiremen don't understand why Londoners never speak to their next door neighbours. Et cetera.

But we all speak the same language (except for those Canadians who don't, but we can ignore them), we watch the same movies, we listen to the same music, we obsess about the state of the economy, we're reasonably fond of the Queen (even in the two countries which don't have a role for her), and we think that our little club of countries is better than all the others.

 
CB27
1000307.  Tue May 28, 2013 7:34 pm Reply with quote

I feel the need to insert a line about the Judean People's Front...

 
suze
1000309.  Tue May 28, 2013 7:44 pm Reply with quote

I can't remember whether I have to reply "Fuck off" or "wankers" at that point ...

 
AlmondFacialBar
1000352.  Wed May 29, 2013 5:26 am Reply with quote

Fuck off

And eventually Splitters when it comes round to the Popular Front of Judea.

Re the fondness for the Queen... At least in one of the countries you named there I'd call that a development of the past two years...

:-)

AlmondFacialBar

 
Izzardesque
1000427.  Wed May 29, 2013 9:01 am Reply with quote

'yorz wrote:
AlmondFacialBar wrote:
Your youlgreaving instinct is spot on...

Good grief - the word has now morphed from a verb via a noun to an adjective. Awesome! What next? ;-D


Surely from a proper noun into a verb into... etc?

 

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