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Spud McLaren
940134.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:32 pm Reply with quote

Well, I was going to go on to all that. You've put me off now.

 
'yorz
940136.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:34 pm Reply with quote

Me?! You hinted at non-existing inter-templar massage parlours if not worse.

 
Spud McLaren
940144.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 pm Reply with quote

Well, they did exist in some cultures.

 
'yorz
940145.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:45 pm Reply with quote

Stop doffing your c***.

 
exnihilo
940148.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:50 pm Reply with quote

The OED gives (rɪˈliːf) as the pronunciation for all forms of the word 'relief'. The common one, the feeling, is the older one (C14th) and is indeed from French. The one referring to the artistic form is later (C16th) and is from Italian.

 
Leith
940154.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:01 pm Reply with quote

That led me to look up the pronunciation of bas-relief, which I've only knowingly encountered in written form to date:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?basre01w.wav=bas-relief

Sounds like we've not quite finished Anglicising that one yet.

 
'yorz
940155.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 pm Reply with quote

Well - if ever I had a smidgeon of hope that Kadesh would be used for the K series, that is now well dashed. Nobody will be able to look beyond the relief that reliefs can give. ;-(

 
Spud McLaren
940157.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 pm Reply with quote

As you said, all those chariots. And still today, nobody can say who won.

 
exnihilo
940158.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 pm Reply with quote

Leith wrote:
That led me to look up the pronunciation of bas-relief, which I've only knowingly encountered in written form to date:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?basre01w.wav=bas-relief

Sounds like we've not quite finished Anglicising that one yet.


Interesting. The OED lists (ˌbɑːsrɪˈliːf) as the standard pronunciation with (bɑː-rɪˈliːf) as an alternative so it seems in British English we've made it 'bass' and fully Anglicised it but America is still only part way there with 'ba'. Makes me think of 'filet', which I'd pronounce - and OED lists - as (ˈfɪlɪt) unless it was part of filet mignon, but the 'French' pronunciation seems to be ubiquitous in the US which might be why they don't balk at 'Chick-fil-A' which I read as 'chick-filla' (and wondered what the heck it was) until I heard it pronounced.

Sorry, 'yorz.

 
'yorz
940159.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:14 pm Reply with quote

 
exnihilo
940160.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:15 pm Reply with quote

Dragging it kicking and screaming back on topic it is interesting that the city of Kadesh is derived from the name of 'Qetesh' who was a Canaanite goddess of sex and fertility. Relief indeed.

 
'yorz
940163.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:22 pm Reply with quote

What have I ever done to you, ex?!

 
Spud McLaren
940167.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:26 pm Reply with quote

See, I knew there'd be a link!

< ducks sharply >

 
'yorz
940168.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:36 pm Reply with quote

 
Leith
940400.  Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:38 pm Reply with quote

I don't have much to add to the OP, 'yorz, but the Wiki article was most interesting. I enjoyed reading this one, also, which has one or two more interesting details on the battle, the peace treaty and their context:

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/ancient/articles/kadesh.aspx

 

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