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940116.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:07 pm Reply with quote

The Battle of Kadesh

The Battle of Kadesh (also Qadesh) took place between the forces of the Egyptian Empire under Ramesses II and the Hittite Empire under Muwatalli II at the city of Kadesh on the Orontes River, in what is now the Syrian Arab Republic.

The battle is generally dated to 1274 BC, and is the earliest battle in recorded history for which details of tactics and formations are known.
It was probably the largest chariot battle ever fought, involving perhaps 5,000–6,000 chariots.

Ramesses atop chariot, at the battle of Kadesh.
(Relief inside his Abu Simbel temple.)

The Kadesh peace agreement—on display at the
Istanbul Archaeology Museum—is believed to be
the earliest example of any written international
agreement of any kind.

Spud McLaren
940117.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:11 pm Reply with quote

'yorz wrote:
Ramesses atop chariot, at the battle of Kadesh.
(Relief inside his Abu Simbel temple.)
I take it this was after the battle - how much did he have to pay for it?

940125.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:19 pm Reply with quote

That's where my eternal gripe about Brits' aversion for properly pronouncing foreign words feels entirely justified.
It's not releef but ʁə.ljɛf.

Spud McLaren
940126.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:20 pm Reply with quote

It's what??

940129.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:24 pm Reply with quote

*sigh* re-ljef

Spud McLaren
940131.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:27 pm Reply with quote

You'll have to tell me verbally at Leicester. The way I'm imagining it is a bit of a non-word.

940132.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:28 pm Reply with quote

It's a French word.

Pete sake - how about the ginormous amount of chariots?! Or the first ever written international agreement?! Wish I never mentioned his bloody relief/ljef. *mutter*

Spud McLaren
940134.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:32 pm Reply with quote

Well, I was going to go on to all that. You've put me off now.

940136.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:34 pm Reply with quote

Me?! You hinted at non-existing inter-templar massage parlours if not worse.

Spud McLaren
940144.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 pm Reply with quote

Well, they did exist in some cultures.

940145.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:45 pm Reply with quote

Stop doffing your c***.

940148.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:50 pm Reply with quote

The OED gives (rɪˈliːf) as the pronunciation for all forms of the word 'relief'. The common one, the feeling, is the older one (C14th) and is indeed from French. The one referring to the artistic form is later (C16th) and is from Italian.

940154.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:01 pm Reply with quote

That led me to look up the pronunciation of bas-relief, which I've only knowingly encountered in written form to date:

Sounds like we've not quite finished Anglicising that one yet.

940155.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 pm Reply with quote

Well - if ever I had a smidgeon of hope that Kadesh would be used for the K series, that is now well dashed. Nobody will be able to look beyond the relief that reliefs can give. ;-(

Spud McLaren
940157.  Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 pm Reply with quote

As you said, all those chariots. And still today, nobody can say who won.


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