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Spud McLaren
935881.  Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:12 pm Reply with quote

The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon, better known as the Knights Templar

The Knights Hospitaller

The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary in Jerusalem, or the Teutonic Knights

etc.

 
CB27
935884.  Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:37 pm Reply with quote

The irony of course is that during the crusades these people were not known as knights, the name only coming into use much later.

The origin of the word that was to become "knight" would usually mean boy or servant, and the origin for knighthood was the period of adolescence between being a boy and becoming a man.

Partway through the early crusades, because the soldiers were following their kings, the word knight was used to describe all soldiers, not just the elite warriors.

It's not until the early 14th century that the word was being used to describe elite warriors.

Even today the word Knight can mean a member of an order or brotherhood, and led to a move by some to claim their religion as Jedi on the census so that they could be called a Jedi Knight. In the 2001 census this meant there were more Jedi Knights in the UK than Sikhs, Jews and Buddhists. I'm guessing the numbers in the 2011 census will be a lot lower.

 
CB27
935885.  Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:42 pm Reply with quote

If this was brought up as a question on Qi, you could have a painting of a crusade with knights (as we recognise them today), and other soldiers being shown, then ask them to point out which one was a knight. The answer being that it's all of them (except the king/leader).

 
dr bartolo
935959.  Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:09 am Reply with quote

Wern't the words "knight" and "knave" pron. in Chaucer's time with the K voiced? ( If may memory does not fail me, this pron. continued till shakspeare)

 
suze
935960.  Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:12 am Reply with quote

Yes.

The /k/ sound became silent sometime around 1650 in England. Rather later in Scotland - possibly into the twentieth century in some rural areas.

 
CB27
935988.  Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:31 pm Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone reading English as a foreigner ever pronounced it "k'nigot"?

 
djgordy
936014.  Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:05 pm Reply with quote

Some klever person already started a thread n the silent k.

 
Bondee
936239.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:42 pm Reply with quote

CB27 wrote:
I wonder if anyone reading English as a foreigner ever pronounced it "k'nigot"?


Like this?
(at about 1:25)

 
bemahan
936262.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:44 pm Reply with quote

Didn't Himmler try to set up his own 'black knights' within the SS, with a round table, based on the Teutonic Knights?

 
Strawberry
936263.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 pm Reply with quote

Yeah, it looks like he did. Link

 
Spud McLaren
936276.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:00 pm Reply with quote

Coincidentally, there was a programme on TV about it earlier tonight...

 
bemahan
936279.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:09 pm Reply with quote

Spooky. What station, spud? Was it any good?

 
Spud McLaren
936283.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:17 pm Reply with quote

One of the slightly more obscure ones, I think. I caught just the last few minutes.

 
bemahan
936290.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:34 pm Reply with quote

I don't have Sky, but there was a doc on Channel 5 called something like Nazi Temple of Doom so maybe it was that? I wouldn't like to comment on the quality of their documentaries...

 
Strawberry
936291.  Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:36 pm Reply with quote

Yeah, it was called nazi temple of doom: Revealed. i didn't watch it, though; i just looked in the newspaper a few minutes ago.

 

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